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Post  AranMC on 3/26/2012, 7:05 pm

Living in Northern Ontario I can't grow grape vines for grapes without a greenhouse.. But I would like to grow one for grape leaves... for making various stuffed grape leaves of course..lol

Would it be possible for me to grow a grape vine outside (If started in the potting shed under fluorescent lights) just to get a young plant with some leaves? I can't plant outside until end of may and my season can end as early as Labor Day... Do I buy seeds? Or can I simply use the pips from grapes?

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Post  Too Tall Tomatoes on 3/26/2012, 7:19 pm

@AranMC wrote:Living in Northern Ontario I can't grow grape vines for grapes without a greenhouse.. But I would like to grow one for grape leaves... for making various stuffed grape leaves of course..lol

Would it be possible for me to grow a grape vine outside (If started in the potting shed under fluorescent lights) just to get a young plant with some leaves? I can't plant outside until end of may and my season can end as early as Labor Day... Do I buy seeds? Or can I simply use the pips from grapes?

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What are you doing with the grape leaves?
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Re: Question (about grape vines for leaves)

Post  AranMC on 3/26/2012, 7:39 pm

Using them as wraps in recipes....
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Post  Too Tall Tomatoes on 3/26/2012, 7:41 pm

@AranMC wrote:Using them as wraps in recipes....

That's awesome.

I love greek stuffed grape leaves
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Post  plantoid on 3/26/2012, 7:57 pm

Usually the vines are started as cutings or cuttings grafted on a disease resistant root stock .

Parents in law used to live by No 1 lock on the Welland shipping canal and a few miles north was acrea and acres of the Iniskillien vinyards .. they got a fairly heavy interesting frosts each winter.

Do you have a perma frost layer ?

Now for the interesting bit.. I have grown grapes from pips that I just wiped out of nearly rotten grapes on to some kitchen towel I grew them in sand on a north facing wall you may need to think wich direction you need to use.

The grapes never came to much .. far to acidic & about as big as garden peas but after I used some well composted chicken shed muck & straw around the vine , it gave off plenty of decent sized leaves from which we soaked a few jars of virgin olive oil to make stuffed vine leaves .



Most commercial grown grapes are sterile clones so you may have to play at it a few times and use German grapes or Canadian grown ones not South African or other such warm world ones.



If you can perhaps you could also get some one lower down in the world of Canada to tip & layer a tendril and post it to you as a bare rooted severed tip and layerd plant wrapped in damp tissue in a poly bag .

I also made a delicous golden hock style country wine .. by pouring four gallons of boiling water over six buckets of lightly pressed down vine leaves .. left it for three days ,stirring every day and then strained infusion off .

I made up a working sugar syrup strength with some citric acid and a few Vit B tabs and set it fermenting adding a further quart of sugar syrup over the next three months a bit at a time and stirring it in for I was trying to keep it clear as a bell and not get it too high in alcohol . . racked it off the sediment once it stopped working and stored it in a barrel for three months in the cool dark of our cellar & hit it with the minumum number of campden tablets to kill off any further yeast action . Filterd it twice over the next three months then bottled the lot in time for Christmas .
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Re: Question (about grape vines for leaves)

Post  GWN on 3/26/2012, 11:02 pm

Hi there
I am living in central BC where some say we are zone 5, but you just go up the hills and you are in zone 4.
We have a vineyard near here that boasts that it is the most northerly vineyard in Canada.
They are higher up that I am, and so likely a zone 4. They make GREAT wine though...
If I were you I would try to get some grape vines, and plant them. You will save yourself a few years time over starting from seed. You may only get leaves, but then again that is all you want...
If you protect the plant with straw in the winter, it will likely overwinter.

Can you use any grape leaves to make Dogma.... ( I am likely totally misspelling it), but stuffed grape leaves?
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Re: Question (about grape vines for leaves)

Post  UnderTheBlackWalnut on 3/27/2012, 1:28 pm

My family had a fair amount of experience with wild grape leaves and normally they dug up the wild vines or attempted to propagate cuttings. I don't know the "book-learned" way of doing things, but here goes with my family lore. NOTE: I have read that all grape leaves are edible, but my family just always wanted the wild grapes - maybe that was just my grandparents' way of using what was available to them?

Back in the 40s I think, my grandfather went out into the country and dug up a wild grape vine and planted it at the family home. My grandmother had to okay it. I remember mom saying my grandmother would examine the leaves. In her mind, they should NOT be the ones that are shiny and white on the back - ours are green on both front and back and do not produce edible grapes. I think today that this was a "wild grape" with very small sour fruit. She would bite a leaf looking for a particular taste she recognized. Maybe they just found that the leaves from this were more tender, or maybe it was just more readily available in the midwest???

The leaves are usually picked around Memorial Day when they are young and tender. If used fresh, you would normally blanch them to soften them enough to roll filling in them. Some still preserve them in salt - but we normally freeze. The freezing process will soften them. Smile

The most common term for the stuffed grape leaves is Dolma (the Greek word). My family's term from the Lebanese Arabic is often spelled differently: warak, yubrak, etc. It's pronounced something like "yubru-"clear-your-throat-noise"" LOL Smile Anyone got a letter for the "clear-your-throat-noise"? thinking

I'm surprised that stuffed grape leaves are catching on because when I was a kid all my friends thought they were gross! Smile They are my birthday request from my mom every year!
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Post  eflan on 3/27/2012, 6:06 pm

You might want to check out Vesey's - they have 3 varieties of grape and they're all hardy to zone 3. They're pretty pricey though.

http://www.veseys.com/ca/en/store/fruitsberries/grapes
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