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Post  daisyhill on 4/6/2010, 7:55 am

This is feedback about the frontpage of the site itself rather than the forum - am I in the right place for that?

My workplace, like many large corporations and government agencies, is a bit behind the times as far as browsers go. We are stuck using IE6 and cannot upgrade our Flash players or any other optional extras. I tried to get onto the SFG site today and I could not read the front page. There is no non-Flash alternative, which is a huge problem for anybody running an old browser (or the new Apple iPad, I believe).

How many potential readers/gardeners are trying to get to this site and being locked out, I wonder? It's not hard to offer a HTML alternative to Flash sites, and frankly I can see no reason for the front page of this site being Flash-driven in any case. Hope that somebody can rectify this before too many more people give up and go elsewhere!
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Post  mckr3441 on 4/6/2010, 8:00 am

Thanks for your post, Daisy.
I will alert the "powers that be" to you input. In the meantime, I hope you will stay with the Forums and let us know how your garden is doing.

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Post  daisyhill on 4/6/2010, 8:10 am

Thanks Claire! Luckily for me, I have more modern browsers at home and can read the site in the evenings, or if I get a direct link to a forum posting. The front page is the problem. If I hadn't been here before I would have given up in disgust this morning, thinking that the whole site was broken.
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Post  nancy on 4/6/2010, 1:03 pm

Daisy - I can't see probably 90% of the pictures here at work. I can at home; my problem is that by the time I get to my home computer, I don't remember whose posts I wanted to go back & view. Amazingly I don't have trouble with the website, but I can't view any of the videos. Ah well - at least the site isn't blocked here!

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Post  boffer on 4/6/2010, 1:15 pm

Alan is swamped right now. Here's what I can pass along until he has some time. He truly values constructive feedback, so don't hesitate to speak up.

Last week, Claire and I offered some suggestions to Alan along the same vein. I asked if a shadow, non-flash, web site was a possibility. At this point, the sfg web site is on a flash dedicated space. He is in the process of acquiring some traditional HTML space. Beyond that, I don't know how he plans to use it.

You bring up an interesting conundrum. The traffic stats of the web site look very promising. BUT, as you suggest, how many viewers are being shut out at the front door, or give up waiting for the download, or can't even get on the site to complain?! Those numbers are elusive at best, unknown at worst.

We all refer folks to Mel's book. Yet even though Alan has added some great reference information to the new site, no one is referring to it. I find that odd.

We had a good laugh at the difference in perspective that the 20+ year age gap between us creates. But I still think 'target audience' is still a factor worth considering.

Thanks again for your input,
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Re: Site is inaccessible for non-Flash users

Post  SFGHQSTAFF on 4/6/2010, 5:49 pm

Hey Everyone. I appreciate all the feedback, that is how I can make our site better. I also appreciate your desire to have our site be seen by as many people as possible!.

I am sorry, but our current website(hundreds of pages, hundreds of icons, videos, etc)took me 3 months to assemble working at it full time! it's not very easy to offer another full website just for HTML. It's not just assembling it, but it meeting Mel's approval. Mel was never happy with the old website (one of the main reasons that we changed it) and that took a lot of work. Please remember that there is just me to do all this, and this is only one of many jobs I have here at the foundation. Also remember that I run several companies outside the foundation!

Thankfully, Flash is widely used all over the web and only specific corporate systems that block flash and apple computers have had problems with flash (actually, even apple computers can see flash if they just install it!) The only real worry has been the popular iphone (and now the ipad) However, adobe has just announced that with the new CS5, flash will now work on the iphone(and I am assuming the ipad as well) so even apple (whethere they like it or not) is getting on board with flash.

So although I am not opposed to another website for HTML people, that is a huge project and my time is very limited. Plus, having two sites, means I have to spend twice the time updating since I would need to update two sites, instead of one (I am not even finished building this one yet). I appreciate all your feedback, and It's something that I would not mind doing, and I can see myself coming up with something after the season is over, but it's not high on my priority list right now.


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Post  SirTravers on 4/6/2010, 5:58 pm

It's about time Adobe got on the ball. If they get the CSS for apple's OSx then it will quickly ported over to Linux also! I love watching the upgrades fly across the net

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Post  boffer on 4/6/2010, 6:03 pm

Huh, I think my google english translator is broken. I don't have a clue what Travis just said!

The boss has spoken, and I can close this thread now.
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