Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» N & C Midwest--It is JUNE!!!! Garden Time!
by South Face Today at 6:18 pm

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by trolleydriver Today at 5:57 pm

» New England June 2017
by CapeCoddess Today at 4:03 pm

» Recommendations for balcony plants
by susan35332 Today at 2:49 pm

» Gardening in Central Pennsylvania, 3rd year SFG
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 1:20 pm

» AtlantaMarie's Garden
by AtlantaMarie Today at 12:54 pm

» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing in JUNE 2017
by trolleydriver Today at 12:33 pm

» Tips for compost tumbler
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 12:33 pm

» TrolleyDriver's Compost Thermometer
by trolleydriver Today at 12:32 pm

» New Green House
by Hoggar Today at 12:28 pm

» to mulch or not to mulch
by sanderson Today at 11:40 am

» Red plastic tomato trays, anyone?
by sanderson Today at 11:19 am

» Pesticide use?
by CapeCoddess Today at 10:29 am

» who has chickens
by sanderson Today at 10:23 am

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by trolleydriver Today at 9:53 am

» Bug Identification
by Robbomb116 Today at 9:17 am

» Coconut Coir
by Jenex Today at 7:58 am

» Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?
by Fiz Today at 7:44 am

» table identity
by llama momma Today at 7:34 am

» update pics
by llama momma Today at 7:29 am

» Pea blight
by cyclonegardener Yesterday at 11:38 pm

» Plans for 2017 revisited
by Judy McConnell Yesterday at 1:48 pm

» What won't you grow next year or are still trying to grow??
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 1:13 pm

» It's Kefir Time
by hammock gal Yesterday at 12:15 pm

» Does the SFG concept work for perennials?
by Judy McConnell Yesterday at 8:30 am

» Questions on vegetable plants that require vertical support
by AtlantaMarie Yesterday at 8:10 am

» Baby Food
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:56 am

» Mary Mary quite contrary, how does your garlic grow?
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:39 am

» Pepper argument who's right
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:04 am

» What to Grow through Very Hot Summers
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 1:24 am

Google

Search SFG Forum

Tomato plants outgrowing cages

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  TejasTerry on 4/22/2012, 8:03 pm

Ok this is my first year gardening, and my tomato plants are outgrowing the cages. This is a dumb question, but what do I do now? Do I need to add something taller? Trim them? Leave them alone? They are putting on tomatoes now...I don't want to "upset the boat"... It's hard to see in this pic, but half way in the center of the pic you can see how far the plant has grown above the top.





TejasTerry
avatar
TejasTerry

Female Posts : 160
Join date : 2011-12-31
Age : 55
Location : Texas Hill Country north of San Antonio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Turan on 4/22/2012, 8:14 pm

O looking good Very Happy What kind of tomato? Has it set a lot of fruit yet?

To ripen fruit it helps to shock the plant a little.
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2204
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  TejasTerry on 4/22/2012, 8:38 pm

@Turan wrote:O looking good Very Happy What kind of tomato? Has it set a lot of fruit yet?

To ripen fruit it helps to shock the plant a little.

This particular plant is an heirloom Black Prince. It has set fruit, and has tons of blossoms.

As far as the others, they are all heirloom and also starting to set fruit, however they are not quite as tall. I have Pink Brandywine, Arkansas Traveler, and Homestead.

I'm just not sure what to do when they outgrow the cages.... What a Face
avatar
TejasTerry

Female Posts : 160
Join date : 2011-12-31
Age : 55
Location : Texas Hill Country north of San Antonio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  givvmistamps on 4/22/2012, 11:45 pm

Hi TejasTerry! I hadn't heard of Black Prince so I had to look it up to make certain, before I said anything...it turns out that this particular variety is an indeterminate tomato. That means it's a vining tomato. I didn't look up your other varieties, but I suspect the rest are determinates, meaning that they are bush-types. Indeterminates will grow very tall indeed, and need a different support. I recently started a discussion asking for advice on support types for indeterminates here:
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t11705-indeterminate-tomato-advice-needed
That discussion has links and photos of different options, as well as a video on how to prune these. They'll produce more if you keep the suckers pruned off. Hope that helps!
avatar
givvmistamps

Female Posts : 862
Join date : 2012-04-01
Age : 46
Location : Lake City, (NE) FL; USDA Hardiness Zone 8b, AHS Heat Zone 9, Sunset Zone 28

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  GWN on 4/22/2012, 11:54 pm

Hi there
I have read books written by Eliot Coleman, and what he does .... is that he has the tomatoes growing up strings and then when they get near the top he essentially lowers the string.
He cuts off all of the lower branches, and essentially the plant lies on the ground to allow for the plant to keep growing taller.
The way to get the tomatoes to ripen is to get a banana that is over ripened and lay it in the tomato patch.
The substance given off from a ripening banana will stimulate the tomatoes to ripen and essentially one tomato ripening will stimulate the others. It is a chemical reaction. Smile
I tried it last year and my tomatoes ripened ahead of anyones. Even the farmers at the farmers market.
avatar
GWN

Posts : 2802
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 60
Location : british columbia zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Too Tall Tomatoes on 4/23/2012, 12:13 am

@GWN wrote:Hi there
I have read books written by Eliot Coleman, and what he does .... is that he has the tomatoes growing up strings and then when they get near the top he essentially lowers the string.
He cuts off all of the lower branches, and essentially the plant lies on the ground to allow for the plant to keep growing taller.
The way to get the tomatoes to ripen is to get a banana that is over ripened and lay it in the tomato patch.
The substance given off from a ripening banana will stimulate the tomatoes to ripen and essentially one tomato ripening will stimulate the others. It is a chemical reaction. Smile
I tried it last year and my tomatoes ripened ahead of anyones. Even the farmers at the farmers market.

One banana for how big of a tomato patch?
avatar
Too Tall Tomatoes

Male Posts : 1069
Join date : 2011-10-24
Age : 46
Location : Pennsylvania, Zone 6A

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Turan on 4/23/2012, 12:16 am

Tomato patch out doors or in his greenhouses?
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2204
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  GWN on 4/23/2012, 12:24 am

huge tomato patch, in his hoop house.
He is the guy who write about winter gardens.
avatar
GWN

Posts : 2802
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 60
Location : british columbia zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  givvmistamps on 4/23/2012, 12:30 am

Wow GWN, that's amazing! I wonder how well that would work with tomatoes outdoors in individual planters?
avatar
givvmistamps

Female Posts : 862
Join date : 2012-04-01
Age : 46
Location : Lake City, (NE) FL; USDA Hardiness Zone 8b, AHS Heat Zone 9, Sunset Zone 28

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Turan on 4/23/2012, 12:37 am

@GWN wrote:huge tomato patch, in his hoop house.
He is the guy who write about winter gardens.
Thats why i wondered. He is certainly the authority. I am going to try it this august when I am going nuts waiting for tomatoes. Thanks!
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2204
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  TN_GARDENER on 4/23/2012, 9:14 am

I'd be more apt to try to add some sort of taller poles.

Maybe a teepee or A-frame of sorts from 8 foot furring strips or bamboo poles. You might be able to thread them through your cage in such a manner that you don't have to drive the feet too far in to the ground and risk damaging your roots.

Might also need to attach some guy wires to keep it from toppling over in high winds.

TN_GARDENER

Posts : 228
Join date : 2011-06-16
Location : TN

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  walshevak on 4/23/2012, 9:48 am

Will tomatos grow sideways? If so how about a post driven into the ground a few feet from the tomato and strung with twine or wire from the cage to the post. Then gradually bend the top of the tomato over to the twine. Think espailier. It's too early to top out that "heading for the moon" tomato. Or an arch of some sort and let it start growing up a bit more and then over and back down.

Kay

____________________________

A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
Find more about Weather in Elizabeth City, NC
Click for weather forecast
avatar
walshevak

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4349
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 74
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  TejasTerry on 4/23/2012, 10:28 am

@TN_GARDENER wrote:I'd be more apt to try to add some sort of taller poles.

Maybe a teepee or A-frame of sorts from 8 foot furring strips or bamboo poles. You might be able to thread them through your cage in such a manner that you don't have to drive the feet too far in to the ground and risk damaging your roots.

Might also need to attach some guy wires to keep it from toppling over in high winds.

This is pretty much what we are going to do. The cages are made of the stuff they reinforce concrete with, so are pretty strong and linked together with hog rings.

I think I can somehow thread them thru. Next year I have a whole new plan.
avatar
TejasTerry

Female Posts : 160
Join date : 2011-12-31
Age : 55
Location : Texas Hill Country north of San Antonio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  GWN on 4/23/2012, 10:44 am

It is a very interesting part of his book that is not incredibly clear.
I read and reread to get the details and studied the pictures in great depth.
I essentially did this last summer, but in the end, when I needed to be dropping them down, I was extremely busy with something else and so did not follow through.
I am grrowing a few of my heirlooms in large buckets this year, and intend to bring them back into the greenhouse in the fall to try to do this
avatar
GWN

Posts : 2802
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 60
Location : british columbia zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Turan on 4/23/2012, 11:16 am

@GWN wrote:It is a very interesting part of his book that is not incredibly clear.
I read and reread to get the details and studied the pictures in great depth.
I essentially did this last summer, but in the end, when I needed to be dropping them down, I was extremely busy with something else and so did not follow through.
I am grrowing a few of my heirlooms in large buckets this year, and intend to bring them back into the greenhouse in the fall to try to do this
Which book? I need to go to the library today.

This reminds me of an article I read once about the amazing greenhouse tomatoes they are growing in the NE. Those tomatoes are grafted and trained to grow up and sideways.
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2204
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  TN_GARDENER on 4/23/2012, 12:22 pm

@Turan wrote:
@GWN wrote:It is a very interesting part of his book that is not incredibly clear.
I read and reread to get the details and studied the pictures in great depth.
I essentially did this last summer, but in the end, when I needed to be dropping them down, I was extremely busy with something else and so did not follow through.
I am grrowing a few of my heirlooms in large buckets this year, and intend to bring them back into the greenhouse in the fall to try to do this
Which book? I need to go to the library today.

This reminds me of an article I read once about the amazing greenhouse tomatoes they are growing in the NE. Those tomatoes are grafted and trained to grow up and sideways.

Not sure if they are grafted (will have to defer to you on that one), but I've seen several hydroponic and/or greenhouse tomato plants with VERY long vines (we're talking in excess of 25 feet). They will routinely wrap those plants around the pots several times or run them up and down the aisles. Neat stuff.

TN_GARDENER

Posts : 228
Join date : 2011-06-16
Location : TN

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Tomato plants outgrowing cages

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum