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Re: New to SFG in the Netherlands

Post  malefacter on 6/11/2012, 4:02 pm

so you plan on making 3 boxes 3' by 3' ?
what I wold do is take out the side boards and combine them into a 3'x15' box it takes the same amount of wood but gives you the space of 2 more boxes. I wold also sugest you use 2x6 lumber rather than 1x6 caws 1x tends to warp easy. I wold also make nice wide ilse for you to walk around since you have the room.

and as i said in the other thread dont forget the lounge chair and umbrella so you can watch the others work:)

weeks of rain? what is rain?

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Post  ahoornik on 6/11/2012, 10:15 pm

Hi

thanks for the idea. I'll think about it. I was thinking along the lines of 4 boxes of 3 by 3. That somehow converts better to dutch wood sizes. Good to remind me of thickness of the boards. I was going to go use 1. But I'll see what I can get.

Kay, you write : Level the area and cover with multiple layers of cardboard and/or newspapers for weed suppression. Is weed cloth not enough? I thougt it would be.

If you are interested in seeing the photo's I took when I first had a walk around that garden, than here is a link to it. http://www.angelo.nu/prive/vakantie/tuin/

It is nothing more than that garden, all green with stuff LOL. Pulled out lots of mint today, I want mint in there, but rather where I would like it and not all over the place.

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Post  walshevak on 6/11/2012, 10:48 pm

Wow, did you get to keep the little statue. Looked like a sunken pool area in one pic.

Yes weedblock is enough. Cardboard and newspaper compost down. Your choice as long as you put something down.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/11/2012, 11:07 pm

Hi Kay,

Thanks for looking at the pics

all gardens have water on one side, running next to it. There is no sunken pool, would have been lovely though LOL

The statue was placed there by the man that was tending to the garden. He put it in his garden again, but isn't happy with it there. He doesn't want to throw it in the carbage either. So the statue may move back to my garden in a while. Very Happy

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Post  Goosegirl on 6/12/2012, 8:39 am

You have a lovely plot! And your work cut out for you! Do you know what kind of fruit trees those are in the pics?

I love the big patio with the cute little raised concrete stools around the edges. Such a peaceful place to sit and admire your hard work (or take a nap between projects!)

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Post  ahoornik on 6/12/2012, 8:44 am

Hi GG,

I know that one of them is an appletree, that was specially imported from France. I have no idea what kind of apples they are, but I'll certainly try them once they grow enough to be eaten. They seem to be tasty.

The stools where little bricks, they may have looked larger, but they were from the garden complex and have been removed by now

From the others I don't know yet, need to wait and see what else happens with them and go with the shapes LOL

Off to the garden to plug more stuff out of the ground

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Post  ahoornik on 6/12/2012, 12:01 pm

Hi all,

back again, had another hour or so to play in the garden. Here are the results



The borders that you see now were all chesthigh overgrown.



The buxus have been worked on, first time job so I hope to get better at it.



Anybody knows what this tree is?



off to get some coffee and food
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Post  ahoornik on 6/12/2012, 2:44 pm

Hi all,

also I wonder about some tomatoes I planted that are called Tomato cocktail. They look like they may stay small but I am not sure about that either. I am starting to put satay sticks next to them but they have outgrown them by 4 inches and need to go outside.
The garden isn't ready yet as you can see from earlier posts.

Will they stay small like 1.5 -2 feet maybe or do they grow up and need trellis?

any advice is welcome
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Post  walshevak on 6/12/2012, 5:01 pm

Cocktail may be a description of the size of the tomato not the size of the vine. It is a descriptive used for tomatos slightly larger than cherry tomatos. Most are indeterminates and require trellis or tall stakes. If yours are outgrowing their current home, try planting in large flowerpots of MM and half burying the pots at the garden site until you get your beds made. You may have to leave them in pots this year depending on timing.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/12/2012, 11:57 pm

Hi Kay,

thanks for that tip, that really is a good idea. I'll see what I can do for now. I know on the other end of the garden is a spot that is already empty. I am not sure what ground is in there, so larger pots with MM makes a lot of sense. I'll get some larger stakes today in the shop, and make a trellis for next year. That way I can focus on emptying the garden first.

I do try to enhance items that I'd like to keep, each time I go in and then I go to the bit that needs taking out.

more of the same today, and getting rid of the red berry bush, since it has a fungus. Looks like the whole thing may have to go.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/13/2012, 11:57 am

Hi,

back from 5 hours of work in the garden. Spend time cutting away fungi, making paths clear so I can at least walk on them. Started with a path to the little water stream so that I can water the boxes once they are in.

Since my tomatos were outgroing their pots, I decided to take them and plant them in an empty spot, that isn't anywhere near perfect. But now they have at least a chance.

The other spot will be places to put the boxes in.

this is when I started pulling some roots and weeds out:



Then I planted the tomato seedlings.
I learned that I don't like planting in clay ground, so I am looking forward to the boxes.



Also cleaned the area around the old compost heap:



I have been gathering everything near the outer border of the garden. The old guys in the workgroup seem to want to help in some way after all and will get all that stuff off the garden to the general area where the city disposal truck will come July 3. So in that way I am very happy that I don't have to do that alone, it is alreay piling up pretty high.

I also learned I have a pear tree, a walnut tree, a decorative raisin tree(no idea if you call it that)
The apple stays a mystery, they don't know what it is exactly, but at least it is apple.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/13/2012, 11:58 am

LOL...

second try... tomato seedlings:


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Post  ahoornik on 6/13/2012, 2:35 pm

I realize that it may be hard to see a difference in some of the stuff. So I have my own Dutch page were I keep track of progress and you get to see the before and after images next to eachother.

http://www.engelencursus.nl/tuin/

Of course you won't be able to read it, but what I know is already in text in the earlier posts.

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Post  walshevak on 6/13/2012, 5:06 pm

You are making remarkable progress on that plot. Hope the tomatos grow well.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/13/2012, 11:14 pm

Hi Kay,

me too Smile

My hands are aching and most of the rest of me too. I may keep a low profile today and just go there to check on the seedlings. and just do a few bits at the waterside.

I need to prepare the workshops I am teaching this weekend as well and that takes time too.

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Post  GWN on 6/13/2012, 11:55 pm

My hands are aching and most of the rest of me too. I may keep a low profile today and just go there to check on the seedlings. and just do a few bits at the waterside.
I find I have to go to work (at my day job) every now and then to give my back and arms a break Smile
Lovely garden, and you are doing a great job.

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Post  ahoornik on 6/14/2012, 1:52 am

LOL, is that why we work, to get a break Very Happy goodness I am glad I get to work this weekend.

I am lucky my "work" is mostly from the mind and mouth. I teach, so rather low impact, which must give me a good two days to recover physically

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Post  ahoornik on 6/14/2012, 6:33 am

Hi Very Happy

today was aimed at reaching the water. Which I did. Called it a day after that. Cleaned up of course LOL

This before I started, it is next to the compost heap



And this is when I was done:



Does anyone know if this is normal on a hazel? or is it ill and needs tending to?



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Post  plantoid on 6/14/2012, 7:06 am

It's amazing what you can do when you get stuck in , in an organised manner ..That stuff on the hazel looks like lichen moss is it wavy edged and going from a vey light odeniel green to a whitish grey ?

Check a few other trees close by and see it it is on them as well ..if it is then I wouldn't worry it's normal for a place that has high rain fall and clean air.



If it is not on other trees /shrubs as one of the other gardeners if they know what it is .. it may be local to your area .



One thing I have learnt about gardens and allotments over the years is that once you have your first few crops in .... keep removing what you know are weeds and be observant for man planted/ sown patches of things , then keep an eye on them and see what transpires from the patch . Many a good display of plants and crops have been destroyed by eager new gardeners ( Laughing me included in this scene ) .

This will give you deep knowledge of what the plant looks like in many stages of growth and at the end of the day you won't have torn out what could be a promising well oprganised well thought out garden you have taken over.

You should also ask the other gardeners in the allotment for advice as to things being plants , flowers or weeds .. for they will have had a head start on you in most cases.

Once they see you aretrying hard to make a go of things and are not too proud to ask for help , most people with good loking gardens will be only to happy to pass on what they know if you ask ...for good gardeners are not usually niggards and small minded folk ..... quite the opposite .....usually it's a job to shut us up .Wink

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Post  ahoornik on 6/14/2012, 7:28 am

Hi Plantoid,

thanks for the advice. I know the garden was well thought out. Apparently it belonged to a professional gardener, who just wanted to make a meditation garden.

It is just so completely not what I have in mind and so hard to see how he meant it because it is completely overgrown. Also I don't like having to stick with what someone else thought of and then abandoned.
I tend to create better from scratch. So I'll jsut move on and empty the lower stuff, leaving the trees and bushes that are larger. That way I get space for my SFG boxes.

I am pretty sure the others will give me advice when I ask for it and I will once I get to the point where I can start making things look prettier again. For now I just need to get it organized my way.

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Post  plantoid on 6/14/2012, 7:36 am

In that case go for broke and do it your way .. there will be mutterings amongs the other gardeners who knew of the guy and saw what was there before you .

Hold your head high and strutt your stuff with ANSFG beds galore.



Can you sell any of the plants you remove or give them away on a local free cycle type scheme???

I gave some plants away ( often do now I have a glass house ) and ended up getting two 246 litre barrels and one cut in half off one of the people who came for the plants , from another who had plants I got loads of old floor planks which were used to good effect . I've also had several contacts who gave me trailer loads of manures in exchange for plants and things I've put on the " Freecycle " .

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Post  ramarks on 6/14/2012, 9:02 am

I had the same problem (4x4 not fitting in) but I found rectangular 2x4 worked perfect along the edge of my patio. Whatever the dimensions it is still a SFG.

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Post  GWN on 6/14/2012, 9:53 am


I am lucky my "work" is mostly from the mind and mouth. I teach, so rather low impact, which must give me a good two days to recover physically
Me too, I garden to get over the stressors of my day job, and I work to get over the physical aches and pains from gardening AND to pay for the garden Very Happy

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Post  ahoornik on 6/14/2012, 10:16 am

heheheh GWN, sounds like that is what I'll be doing. I just hope there is some satisfaction in growing crop that I can eat at some point too Very Happy

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Post  ahoornik on 6/15/2012, 8:53 am

Hi All,

today I had to tend to my bussines instead of my garden. I'll be teaching this weekend and have a party on Saturday night, so I had to prepare the entire weekend. Normally I do that on Saturday night.

Which means that I haven't got time to go to the garden today. It has been raining for most of the morning so watering has been done Smile and I think I can skip a day to rest my hands, back and all the other muscles I forgot I have

This weekend I get a handyman to come in with a friend to see how much work it will be to empty the garden and let me know what that will cost. That way I can start with my boxes quicker. Hope to get a quote before the weekend is over.

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