Square Foot Gardening Forum

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Live and learn
by Mikesgardn Today at 4:22 pm

» TrolleyDriver's Compost Thermometer
by trolleydriver Today at 2:42 pm

» New England, December 2016
by CapeCoddess Today at 2:28 pm

» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by countrynaturals Today at 2:08 pm

» AtlantaMarie's Garden
by countrynaturals Today at 2:04 pm

» Tomato Tuesday 2016
by countrynaturals Today at 2:01 pm

» Garlic: Freeze, thaw, and heave
by donnainzone5 Today at 1:56 pm

» N&C Midwest: December 2016
by sanderson Today at 1:44 pm

» Mychorrhizae Fungi
by audrey.jeanne.roberts Today at 1:28 pm

» December 2016 Avatar: Show your Winter Season Colors!
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 11:17 pm

» SFG not giving the results I expected
by No_Such_Reality Yesterday at 7:21 pm

» New Member
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 4:14 pm

» Mid-Atl - Dec 2016 - Seed Catalog ?
by CapeCoddess Yesterday at 12:32 pm

» First season SFG results / lessons learned
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 10:36 am

» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing December 2016
by Kelejan Yesterday at 9:46 am

» Mid-South: December 2016
by sanderson Yesterday at 3:39 am

» 1st Seed Catalog Arrived :)
by sanderson Yesterday at 3:30 am

» Eat Broccoli Leaves? Brussels Sprouts? Cauliflower?
by sanderson Yesterday at 2:55 am

» Winter's Coming!
by sanderson Yesterday at 2:53 am

» Dry versus fresh spices to infuse vinegar
by sanderson Yesterday at 2:50 am

» 2016 SFG in Brooks, Ga
by sanderson Yesterday at 1:28 am

» Holy snow Batman!
by sanderson 12/2/2016, 5:46 pm

» Senseless Banter...
by MrBooker 12/2/2016, 5:17 pm

» Blanching and Freezing Vegetables
by sanderson 12/2/2016, 4:59 pm

» Your Christmas wish list?
by sanderson 12/2/2016, 4:29 pm

» SFG Adventure of a first time gardener in ND
by sanderson 12/2/2016, 4:14 pm

» Second Year SFG in Canada
by trolleydriver 12/2/2016, 2:59 pm

» Fusion Life Brands Power XL pressure cooker
by CapeCoddess 12/2/2016, 2:39 pm

» Asia Region -Showcase of Gardens - Show Us Yours
by sanderson 12/2/2016, 2:14 pm

» December: What to plant in Northern California and Central Valley areas
by countrynaturals 12/2/2016, 1:13 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

Groundhog problem

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Groundhog problem

Post  nycquilter on 8/2/2012, 7:51 am

I have a HUGE groundhog who lives under my shed and eats zucchini and pumpkin. He likes to eat between 6:30 and 7 a.m. and sometimes in the later afternoon too. Any suggestions to get rid of it?

nycquilter

Posts : 128
Join date : 2011-08-01
Location : zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  CharlesB on 8/2/2012, 8:54 am

I've got the same issue at my Community Garden. They're real pigs.

Haven't come up with a solution yet though. If you have a dog you could try putting it out there at those times.

I put up a chicken wire fence but the ground hog just pulls it down and hops over it.

I think if I had a solid fence of about 3 feet high it would keep the ground hog out. I may have to resort to that even though I don't want to spend that much on it right now.


CharlesB

Male Posts : 273
Join date : 2012-01-02
Location : Philadelphia, PA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  camprn on 8/2/2012, 9:30 pm

@nycquilter wrote:I have a HUGE groundhog who lives under my shed and eats zucchini and pumpkin. He likes to eat between 6:30 and 7 a.m. and sometimes in the later afternoon too. Any suggestions to get rid of it?
If you don't want to fence the garden and there is a firearms prohibition where you live, I suggest calling your state fish and game office for advice and maybe some help. good luck

____________________________

40 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books

Outlander is outstanding!


camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 13983
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  nycquilter on 8/2/2012, 9:54 pm

though there is no firearms prohibition here, I am a city girl and don't own a gun nor have I ever shot one. I wish I could shoot sometimes and that I liked venison. The dogs chase the deer and the groundhog but that groundhog is fast! I was so angry at it that I stuffed the entrance to his home with all the weeds I pulled. Most of the garden is fenced. The deer and rabbits leave the zucchini and winter squash alone so it's not fenced.

nycquilter

Posts : 128
Join date : 2011-08-01
Location : zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  camprn on 8/2/2012, 10:05 pm

Groundhogs are tenacious and a sturdy fence is probably the best defense. Killing the poor creature is probably a temporary solution until the next family of ground hogs moves in. Probably the best advice you are going to get is from your F&G officers. Good luck.

____________________________

40 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books

Outlander is outstanding!


camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 13983
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

groundhog troubles

Post  J in VA on 8/3/2012, 12:10 am

How about catching it in a have-a-heart trap and release it beyond whatever the territory size of a groundhog is?


J in VA

Posts : 5
Join date : 2012-02-28
Location : 6b-VA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Rob C on 8/6/2012, 12:54 pm

We had a family of them living under our shed. I've had good luck trapping them with a have-a- heart trap. Bait the trap with a tomato and put it right where the hog comes out from under the shed. Be careful if you pick up the trap, big ones are strong enough to flex the wire and squeeze out under the door. I usually slide the cage into a trashcan and transport it several miles away to a wooded area and release.
I would suggest setting the trap very early in the morning and not leaving the trap open over night. I've had other guests in my trap from leaving it open at night such as skunks and opossums. Good luck.

Rob C

Male Posts : 33
Join date : 2012-04-19
Age : 55
Location : Horsham, PA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Nuisance trapper?

Post  thwackaddict on 8/12/2012, 11:46 pm

You could try a nuisance trapper or have someone take care of it for you.I dont think relocating groundhogs is a good idea.

thwackaddict

Male Posts : 1
Join date : 2012-08-12
Location : Southwest Virginia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  thegreatcob on 9/15/2012, 2:49 am

the solution is simple but not very pleasant you need to trap the ground hog.
then kill it. then return body to hole. if don't a new ground hog will take up residence.

if the hole was not under a shed you could smoke bomb the ground hog but he must be home when do it. the rest of details are not pleasant.

I have dealt with these creatures before and they will face down large dog.
they can be very vicious also if chased they can climb trees.

ps relocation usually does not work since you still have burrow which may be the new home of another ground hog.
psps there is the eating the pest option but it is not for every one require the hog is dispatched in manner that does not put creature under stress, since it will make meat not as tasty or so i have heard.

thegreatcob

Posts : 52
Join date : 2012-08-23
Location : usa

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  gregrenee88 on 9/15/2012, 9:20 pm

Could you possibly go to table top SFG next Spring?
Renee

gregrenee88

Female Posts : 280
Join date : 2012-04-23
Age : 50
Location : Sharpsburg, Md. Zone 6B

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  nycquilter on 9/15/2012, 9:32 pm

@thegreatcob--I was informed that there is a recipe (maybe more than one) for groundhog in the Joy of Cooking. Hmmm....

@gregrenee, no that's not a possibility. But, if we don't trap and relocate the pest, I will put up chicken wire in that area to keep him (her?) out. I put the zucchini in the ground as most animals don't go near it. In 8 years, this is the first time I have had a problem.

nycquilter

Posts : 128
Join date : 2011-08-01
Location : zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Nonna.PapaVino on 9/17/2012, 4:25 pm

The recipe for groundhog (woodchuck) shows up in Joy of Cooking's 1967 copy thusly: "Dress woodchuck as for rabbit, but watch for and remove 7 to 9 small sacs or kernels in the small of the back and under the forearm. Soak overnight in salted water. Drain and wipe dry. Cook by any recipe for rabbit or chicken." Okay, now, who's going to try it and report back? Hasenpfeffer of chuck anyone?

Nonna.PapaVino

Female Posts : 1437
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  camprn on 9/17/2012, 4:42 pm

@Nonna.PapaVino wrote:The recipe for groundhog (woodchuck) shows up in Joy of Cooking's 1967 copy thusly: "Dress woodchuck as for rabbit, but watch for and remove 7 to 9 small sacs or kernels in the small of the back and under the forearm. Soak overnight in salted water. Drain and wipe dry. Cook by any recipe for rabbit or chicken." Okay, now, who's going to try it and report back? Hasenpfeffer of chuck anyone?
Diverting for just a moment and not quite on point, I've never eaten wood chuck but I have eaten raccoon and would suggest parboiling first, as it's taste is quite gamey.

____________________________

40 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books

Outlander is outstanding!


camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 13983
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Nonna.PapaVino on 9/17/2012, 4:50 pm

Suppose the hasenpfeffer way to cook rabit would work like parboiling? The cooked marinade for soaking the chuck/hog for two days consists of: 1 cup each chopped celery, carrot and onion--sauted in 1/4 cup cooking oil until "they begin to color." Then add 8 cups vinegar, 4 cups water, 1/2 cup chopped parsley, 3 bay leaves; 1 tablespoon each of thyme, basil, cloves, and allspice berries; a pinch of mace; 1 tablespoon crushed peppercorns and 6 crushed cloves. Bring to boil, then simmer for 1 hour. Strain, cool and add rabbit or groundhog. Good luck! Nonna (we don't have groundhogs around here, just possums)

Nonna.PapaVino

Female Posts : 1437
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Goosegirl on 9/19/2012, 10:14 pm

I look forward to the report!

GG

____________________________

GG   geek 






COMPOSTING:  The only time 'Garbage In' does not equal 'Garbage Out'!

Goosegirl

Female Posts : 3402
Join date : 2011-02-16
Age : 51
Location : Zone 4A - NE SD

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  RoOsTeR on 9/22/2012, 9:43 am

I think groundhogs are related to squirrels thinking We used to hunt squirrels in the pecan orchards in Texas and my mothers husband would whip up an excellent batch of squirrel and dumplins rock on I would guess groundhog could be prepared in the same way. tongue

____________________________


I am my gardens worst enemy.

RoOsTeR

Forum Administrator

Male Posts : 3879
Join date : 2011-10-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  mollyhespra on 9/22/2012, 11:05 pm

I've got a literal groundhog commune on my property--actually several of them. There are at least 7 separate burrows within 100 feet of my house, and the closest is about 8 feet from my living room window.

I can tell you that relocation, while it may make you (as it did us) feel like more humane humans, is actually pretty stressful for the critter, and in all likelihood will not survive very long since it will not have time to find or dig itself a replacement burrow in an unfamiliar environment. SO, once we realized this, we stopped trapping. (NOT that I haven't had murderous thoughts towards Chuck, BTW...refer to my avatar & I'm sure you'll know I can relate...)

What we did do was saved up to erect a fence. A *tall* fence, with the top 1' or so left unattached to the support poles so that Mr. Chuck will cause himself to flop over and (theoretically at least) fall on his woodchuck-tuckus. I think it's working, because he hasn't gotten into the clover that I'm growing as a green compost crop in the foundation bed by my front door since the fence went up a few months ago. Go on YouTube and do a search for "woodchuck climbing fence" and you'll see why we went tall. That and the deer...and the bear...did I forget someone? Oh, yes, the skunk, but I digress...

I forgot to mention that in addition to the floppy bit up top, I bent the bottom of the wire mesh into an "L" shape, used landscape staples to anchor the "L" down every 6 inches & buried the bottom of the L (about 12" long) under a thick layer of mulch so he can't burrow under the fence.

So anyway, there's my 2 cents' worth. The real test of my anti-critter fence will be next year when there will be plenty of delectables inside to tempt them. We're even thinking of adding one or two lines of electrified wire to the set-up since we're not sure the fence will stand up to the bear. He's a pretty big boy & when he sees the blueberries I've got in mind for one corner I think he'll easily climb over the fence to get at them.

An electric fence might work against Chuck, too, come to think of it... Twisted Evil

mollyhespra

Female Posts : 800
Join date : 2012-09-21
Age : 50
Location : Waaaay upstate, NH (zone 4)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  camprn on 9/23/2012, 12:25 am

Sounds like a fort. Let us know how it works in the spring.

I do like the separate garden for critters idea that someone posted earlier in this thread.

____________________________

40 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books

Outlander is outstanding!


camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 13983
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  mollyhespra on 9/23/2012, 1:08 pm

@camprn wrote:Sounds like a fort...

LOL! Yes, I do think the neighbors think we're a bit on the extreme end but my basic point to nycquilter is that the only way to get rid of the critters, IMHO is to try to exclude them from the garden. Their nature is to breed & spread out, eating anything they can find in the interim, so killing or trapping one will only make room for another...and there will always be another.

There is a place that sells what they claim to be an 100% effective veggie fence...I have it bookmarked...oh, no--I'm a newbie so the forum won't let me post external links! OK, until my probationary period is up, here is a description from their website:

"Mr. McGregor's Fence® is a unique fence system designed to keep deer, groundhogs, rabbits, woodchucks, raccoons, squirrels and other like-sized critters out of vegetable gardens. Combining an 18" high barrier fence with an electric fence means that any creature looking to go over or under the fence will be zapped with a mild tingle, turn around, and go home. Years of experience have proven it 100% effective."

I'm not associated with them other than having purchased fencing materials from them in the past. I had the website bookmarked in case I decided to try out adding an electric element to the existing barrier (probably needed if Mr. Bear decides to raid my future blueberry patch). Does anyone have experience with this type of electric fence?


Last edited by mollyhespra on 9/23/2012, 1:11 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : correcting info)

mollyhespra

Female Posts : 800
Join date : 2012-09-21
Age : 50
Location : Waaaay upstate, NH (zone 4)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Nonna.PapaVino on 9/23/2012, 2:58 pm

Our neighbors had a solar-powered electric fence to deter critters. Is the one mentioned with Mr. McGregor's fence solar powered? And what would happen if a skunk wandered into it and "got a tingle?" Might make for an aromatic, should we say, experience. (This comes to mind 'cause PapaVino shot his fourth skunk this morning--don't smell too good around here today.)

Nonna.PapaVino

Female Posts : 1437
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  mollyhespra on 9/23/2012, 4:29 pm

@Nonna.PapaVino wrote:Our neighbors had a solar-powered electric fence to deter critters. Is the one mentioned with Mr. McGregor's fence solar powered? And what would happen if a skunk wandered into it and "got a tingle?" Might make for an aromatic, should we say, experience. (This comes to mind 'cause PapaVino shot his fourth skunk this morning--don't smell too good around here today.)

Hmmmm....good point. In all seriousness, would you be willing to ask your neighbor? I'm assuming that if you have skunks in droves that they probably do/did, too. There's a PYO blueberry farm nearby that traps theirs & sometimes they're whiffy & sometimes not. Brings to mind an episode of "Mythbusters" where they were purposely trying to get sprayed & the skunk just didn't wanna. Maybe some are easier to set off than others.

Oh, and IIRC, those zap kits are either solar-powered or plug-in, with the plug-in models being for larger critters...like my bear...

mollyhespra

Female Posts : 800
Join date : 2012-09-21
Age : 50
Location : Waaaay upstate, NH (zone 4)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Nonna.PapaVino on 9/23/2012, 4:46 pm

Our neighbors didn't garden, but wanted to deter deer from munching on plantings in yard. Also, to keep horses from chewing top wood fence rails. The solar panel-run electric fence was supposed to keep cattle in their designated place. Don't know if that's true, 'cause they only had horses and llamas. This was 10 years ago, and I'd guess electric fence systems have been updated and improved. Keep us apprised. Inquiring minds want to know. Nonna

Nonna.PapaVino

Female Posts : 1437
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Lindacol on 9/23/2012, 5:19 pm

For other types of electric fencing check here;

http://www.premier1supplies.com/c/fencing/



I have a small charger that I bought locally years ago and have a single wire run at the top of some of my fences to keep the bucks (I have goats) in their pens and off the fences. I have run it near the bottom of the fence to keep dogs in or out. I have several different types of insulators to run the wire on different types of fencing (from chain link to wood to use on T posts, etc).

Lindacol

Posts : 777
Join date : 2011-01-23
Location : Bloomington, CA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Nonna.PapaVino on 9/23/2012, 6:38 pm

Many, many years and miles ago, we had a beautiful Husky dog we'd brought home from Alaska. The six-foot cedar fence surrounding the back yard failed to hold him in, so we resorted to an electric wire. He still cleared wire and fence. So I secretly watched him one day and noticed where he had to stand to leap up, catch the top of the fence with his feet, and pull himself over the top. Then I moved the electric fence out from the fence about 2-1/2 feet (where he was standing to launch himself over the fence), and the problem was solved. Twice he hit the wire, then he never tried again. Alas, the Afghan Hound we had at the same time wasn't as smart...about every 4-6 weeks he'd try to push past the wire. Afghans definitely march to a different drummer. My sons, Sesame Street fans, considered him intellectually challenged, and took to calling him Big Bird.

Nonna.PapaVino

Female Posts : 1437
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Goosegirl on 9/24/2012, 8:55 am

funny post rofl rofl
GG

____________________________

GG   geek 






COMPOSTING:  The only time 'Garbage In' does not equal 'Garbage Out'!

Goosegirl

Female Posts : 3402
Join date : 2011-02-16
Age : 51
Location : Zone 4A - NE SD

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Groundhog problem

Post  Sponsored content Today at 5:19 pm


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum