Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Compost Heaps
by sanderson Today at 2:28 am

» Carrot Week 2017!
by BeetlesPerSqFt Yesterday at 10:19 pm

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 7:39 pm

» Any Strange and Wonderful Visitors? Photos please!
by bigdogrock Yesterday at 12:49 pm

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 11:26 am

» Happy Autumn Equinox
by brianj555 Yesterday at 11:24 am

» Today's Harvest
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 11:19 am

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by AtlantaMarie Yesterday at 8:46 am

» Amaranth
by AtlantaMarie Yesterday at 8:44 am

» Hello from NE OHIO
by AtlantaMarie Yesterday at 8:43 am

» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 7:25 am

» Cucumber Plants on the Ground! :-(
by brianj555 9/21/2017, 9:27 pm

» New England September 2017
by Scorpio Rising 9/21/2017, 7:59 pm

» N&C Midwest - September 2017
by Scorpio Rising 9/21/2017, 7:56 pm

» Spotted Lanternfly: invasive pest "new" to the US
by sanderson 9/21/2017, 1:41 pm

» First red kidney bean harvest....now what?
by AtlantaMarie 9/21/2017, 6:28 am

» Fall Garden?
by sanderson 9/21/2017, 3:28 am

» Bug/Pest Identification....Help!
by Scorpio Rising 9/20/2017, 7:12 pm

» question about Garlic and winter
by Scorpio Rising 9/20/2017, 6:38 pm

» Ginger
by has55 9/20/2017, 2:38 pm

» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing in September 2017
by Kelejan 9/20/2017, 2:29 pm

» Senseless Banter...
by AtlantaMarie 9/20/2017, 9:08 am

» harvesting wood chips
by Kelejan 9/19/2017, 9:55 pm

» Tomato Tuesday 2017
by brianj555 9/19/2017, 7:18 pm

» leeks again
by donnainzone5 9/19/2017, 12:17 pm

» WANTED: Pictures of Compost Bins
by has55 9/19/2017, 9:03 am

» My SFG Journey:Returning to the Original Square Foot Garden Method
by has55 9/19/2017, 3:05 am

» Monarch Supporter
by CitizenKate 9/19/2017, 1:43 am

» Birds of the Garden
by countrynaturals 9/18/2017, 11:29 am

» Tomatoes in New England
by Scorpio Rising 9/17/2017, 9:02 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

Crop rotation

Page 3 of 6 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  littlejo on 8/26/2011, 2:11 pm

I'm having to do a sort of crop rotation. First, I messed up and wanted lots of crops, enough to freeze/can, so, I made several beds and planted numerous sqs. of each item. I planted 1/2 bed with sqs of green beans. I got nematodes which came up from the ground and into the MM. Nematodes love MM. I've been told not to plant green beans in that bed for at least 2 seasons. I have to plant French Marigolds in that bed, grow for 2 months, then turn under. I will be planting F. marigolds in all beds in between the sqs. for my ground has nematodes. I will at least have a pretty garden!

Jo
avatar
littlejo

Female Posts : 1532
Join date : 2011-05-04
Age : 63
Location : Cottageville SC 8b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  littlesapphire on 8/26/2011, 2:15 pm

I plan on doing a little bit of crop rotation, partly because I'm afraid of bugs and disease finding my plants, and partly because I'm curious if certain plants do better in certain spots. Since some of my boxes are in more shade or better wind protection than others, I want to see which plant likes which spot the best. So far I've found the best spot for my squash!
avatar
littlesapphire

Female Posts : 826
Join date : 2010-04-08
Age : 33
Location : Jamestown, NY (Zone 5a)

View user profile http://www.sanorigardens.org

Back to top Go down

crop rotation in SFG?

Post  Feistywidget on 11/18/2011, 6:54 pm

I know with traditional row gardening method, you do crop rotation so you don't get pests and to avoid plant diseases, etc.

I'm wondering if this is something you have to do with SFG boxes and if so how often? Basically is it something mandatory with SFG? If it's going to create healthier plants and be beneficial for your SFG, fine. However if it doesn't matter either way, then please let me know. Either way (yes it's mandatory, no it doesn't make any difference) please provide clarification with this.

Every season? By season.....is it the actual season (rotating every spring, summer, winter, fall) or does season mean you rotate at the start of every new year whenever the new season starts in your area?

Feistywidget

Posts : 53
Join date : 2011-10-01
Location : Boyne City Michigan (gardening zone 5; short growing season....mild and cool climate...hot summers, but much milder than summers in tropical gardening zones)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  camprn on 11/18/2011, 6:55 pm

I rotate crops to different boxes each year.

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14165
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 55
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  southern gardener on 11/18/2011, 6:57 pm

with ours, it sort of naturally rotates. When we empty a square, we add the compost and just planted a different plant/seed in the square. Really nothing to think about, it just sort of happens.
avatar
southern gardener

Posts : 1887
Join date : 2011-06-21
Age : 37
Location : california, zone 10a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  RoOsTeR on 11/18/2011, 7:00 pm

southern gardener wrote:with ours, it sort of naturally rotates. When we empty a square, we add the compost and just planted a different plant/seed in the square. Really nothing to think about, it just sort of happens.

And that's pretty much the basic idea stated in the book. Very Happy
fiesty, check out page 144 for a bit more on crop rotation. Not as critical as row gardening, but still very much suggested.
avatar
RoOsTeR

Forum Administrator

Male Posts : 4312
Join date : 2011-10-04
Location : Colorado Front Range

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  Feistywidget on 11/18/2011, 7:04 pm

Um a very stupid question, but here goes anyway. According to the ppl on this forum since you're using 5 different kinds of fertilizer (which is minimum, according to them you could possibly add more) it provides all the nutrients the plant needs.

So if that's the case, why do you have to add compost when you replant?

Feistywidget

Posts : 53
Join date : 2011-10-01
Location : Boyne City Michigan (gardening zone 5; short growing season....mild and cool climate...hot summers, but much milder than summers in tropical gardening zones)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  camprn on 11/18/2011, 7:10 pm

The recipe does not call for fertilizer but 5 different types of compost. I think of the compost as building tilth and nutrition and health to the growing medium, not just adding chemicals, tho those would do the job, sorta...

By adding compost after harvest and before growing something new, it feeds the growing medium, so it in turn will feed the plant so that it in turn will feed me.

And I think it was a very good question! Very Happy

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14165
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 55
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  sherryeo on 11/18/2011, 7:47 pm

In other words, the plants use the nutrients in the compost, so you have to replenish it with more, especially at the point where you're ready to plant more veggies in the same squares.
avatar
sherryeo

Female Posts : 850
Join date : 2011-04-03
Age : 65
Location : Mississippi Gulf Coast Zone 8B

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  sfg4uKim on 11/18/2011, 7:49 pm

Feisty, I think you would really enjoy the book - it covers the two areas you asked about.

I wouldn't use the word "mandatory", instead crop rotation is automatic because you re-use each square up to 3 times a year (spring, summer & fall crops) depending on how long from planting until harvest.

No matter WHAT method you choose, you should ALWAYS rotate members of the nightshade family and not replant tomatoes, eggplant, etc. in the same square(s) for three years.

Because SFG is such an INTENSIVE method, it takes the nutrients out of the soil more quickly than other methods - thus the reason you will want to add a trowel-full of compost when you harvest a square.

The main areas Mel feels should be strictly adhered to have to do with a wide variety of composts in your mix, thoroughly watering every 2" as you add your Mel's Mix to the raised bed and the grid. He has found that when people don't follow his suggestions, they tend to blame the METHOD instead of the fact that they are not following the method.

Welcome to the Forum.

____________________________

I have seen women looking at jewelry ads with a misty eye and one hand resting on the heart, and I only know what they're feeling because that's how I read the seed catalogs in January - Barbara Kingsolver - Animal, Vegetable, Miracle


sfg4u.com
FB: Square Foot Gardening 4 U



avatar
sfg4uKim

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 1939
Join date : 2010-09-30
Age : 58
Location : Glen Burnie, MD

View user profile http://sfg4u.com

Back to top Go down

Crop Rotation

Post  AppleofGODseye on 3/29/2012, 1:58 pm

We know you are not supose to replant the same plant in the same spot every season, but we don't know what to follow the different plants with.

Is there someplace that tells us how to rotate the crops?

If we should put roots after leaf or leaf after root, etc.

Does it matter?

AppleofGODseye

Posts : 1
Join date : 2010-04-16

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Crop Rotation

Post  GloriaG on 3/29/2012, 4:56 pm

I know opinions vary on this, but I believe that the best crop rotation is to follow each crop with ones that consecutively use a different major soil nutrient so that the soil can have time to rest and regenerate before having to support the same crop needs again. i.e.

Always add your regular scoop of compost before you plant each crop. Then start with:

LEAF CROPS which use nitrogen such as - Lettuce, mesclun greens, herbs, cabbage, kale, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, etc. follow them with:

FRUIT CROPS which use phosphorus such as - Tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, peppers, eggplant, etc. follow these with:

ROOT CROPS which use potassium such as - radish, carrots, turnips, beets, onions, leeks, etc. followed by:

LEGUMES which either don't require soil nitrogen or add small amounts of it back to the soil such as - Peas, beans, and potatoes (because they are not nitrogen users)

Then start over - that provides a rotation of four separate crops that all use different nutrients from the soil.

But keep in mind that the scoop of compost you add to the MM should have all the nutrients your plants need.

GloriaG

Female Posts : 435
Join date : 2010-03-15
Location : Double Oak, TX Zone 8a

View user profile http://www.laketrailstudio.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  AvaDGardner on 3/29/2012, 5:31 pm

Thanks for asking this question, and the understandable list!

This is something I've puzzled over A LOT. Especially when you have permenant structures attached to your boxes for certain types of plants. It makes rotation thoughts more difficult.

I also appreciate the info that "fruits" means more than just obvious fruits like "berries." I'd never thought of it that way.

But then, you run into what to do with your perennial plants. For me, that's strawberries. They are rather like spider plants - one established with off shoot babies. And you get more production from established plants. So how do you rotate them?

I also puzzle over how to add phosphorus. It's the one thing I'm consistently low on. Since everything is pretty much planted now, I'm wondering if there is a liquid something I can add to feed but not disturb the plants.
avatar
AvaDGardner

Female Posts : 634
Join date : 2012-02-17
Location : Garden Grove, CA (still Zone 10b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Crop Rotation

Post  GloriaG on 3/29/2012, 6:16 pm

Perennial plants don't need to be rotated -only amended with compost when you do your "spring-cleaning".

Phosphorus can be increased by adding Bonemeal.

GloriaG

Female Posts : 435
Join date : 2010-03-15
Location : Double Oak, TX Zone 8a

View user profile http://www.laketrailstudio.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  camprn on 3/29/2012, 6:21 pm

A very light sprinkling of wood ash would add a bit of phosphorus to the soil; Do not add too much as it will adjust the soil pH.

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14165
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 55
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  littlejo on 3/30/2012, 9:59 am

For strawberries, mulch with pine straw, for they like high acidity as do tomatoes and potatoes.
avatar
littlejo

Female Posts : 1532
Join date : 2011-05-04
Age : 63
Location : Cottageville SC 8b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  AvaDGardner on 4/9/2012, 8:20 pm

I would LOVE to have pine mulch. It would add much needed acid to our soil. I can't find it at the stores...is the only left pet stores? I'm concerned it would be overpriced there.

Camp, does wood ash adjust pH to acid or alkaline? Not that I have any...
avatar
AvaDGardner

Female Posts : 634
Join date : 2012-02-17
Location : Garden Grove, CA (still Zone 10b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  camprn on 4/9/2012, 9:24 pm

Wood Ash is said to 'sweeten the soil', makes it less acid. It also contains trace elements beneficial to growing plants.

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14165
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 55
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  littlejo on 4/9/2012, 11:16 pm

AvaDGardner wrote:I would LOVE to have pine mulch. It would add much needed acid to our soil. I can't find it at the stores...is the only left pet stores? I'm concerned it would be overpriced there.
Camp, does wood ash adjust pH to acid or alkaline? NYou mightot that I have any...

You might try a farmers market or a store that sells feed. If they don't sell pine straw, they will know who does. Also check big box garden centers or places that sell mulch. Shouldn't be too expensive. Jo


Last edited by littlejo on 4/9/2012, 11:18 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : formatting gone wrong!)
avatar
littlejo

Female Posts : 1532
Join date : 2011-05-04
Age : 63
Location : Cottageville SC 8b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  GWN on 4/9/2012, 11:19 pm

I believe that it adds potassium to the soil.
Which some crops find beneficial, such as potatoes
avatar
GWN

Posts : 2804
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 61
Location : british columbia zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Crop Rotation cheat sheet

Post  Carleen on 4/9/2012, 11:26 pm

Penn State has a PDF of crop rotation; I found another great list at dannylipford.com
avatar
Carleen

Female Posts : 4
Join date : 2012-04-09
Age : 43
Location : Mandan, ND Zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  Chopper on 4/10/2012, 12:52 am

AppleofGODseye wrote:We know you are not supose to replant the same plant in the same spot every season, but we don't know what to follow the different plants with.

Is there someplace that tells us how to rotate the crops?

If we should put roots after leaf or leaf after root, etc.

Does it matter?

There are a lot of good answers here, but one of the advantages of this method is crop rotating takes care of itself, especially if you have a spring and/or fall garden. The one thing I watch out for the most is tomatoes and try to mix it up as far as where I plant them. So far it has been easy because I keep moving. LOL. But since you are replacing nutrients with compost each change of square, you needn't stress over it too much. You are not committing a whole 40 acres to one crop that is going to forever become a nematode scourge or anything like that.

Chopper

Female Posts : 2467
Join date : 2010-05-05
Age : 62
Location : Warner Springs, CA USDA Zone 8a, Sunset Zone 7 (I think)

View user profile http://thezimmermannfamilytoo.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  Turan on 4/10/2012, 12:30 pm

GloriaG wrote:I know opinions vary on this, but I believe that the best crop rotation is to follow each crop with ones that consecutively use a different major soil nutrient so that the soil can have time to rest and regenerate before having to support the same crop needs again. i.e.

Always add your regular scoop of compost before you plant each crop. Then start with:

LEAF CROPS which use nitrogen such as - Lettuce, mesclun greens, herbs, cabbage, kale, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, etc. follow them with:

FRUIT CROPS which use phosphorus such as - Tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, peppers, eggplant, etc. follow these with:

ROOT CROPS which use potassium such as - radish, carrots, turnips, beets, onions, leeks, etc. followed by:

LEGUMES which either don't require soil nitrogen or add small amounts of it back to the soil such as - Peas, beans, and potatoes (because they are not nitrogen users)

Then start over - that provides a rotation of four separate crops that all use different nutrients from the soil.

But keep in mind that the scoop of compost you add to the MM should have all the nutrients your plants need.
I like this, has enough structure and logic.
I have just rolled by the seat of my pants, trying to never follow same with same. The first SFG book talks about that by doing things in squares you make it easy to follow one planting with something different and thus result in rotation happening though unplanned. I find htat works great with leafy greens and roots like beets and carrots but the trouble comes with peas and nightshade family(tomato, eggplant, peppers, potato) and unruly vines like winter squash. Those really do best in certain spots in hte garden.
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2292
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  AvaDGardner on 4/11/2012, 12:17 am

Chopper wrote:There are a lot of good answers here, but one of the advantages of this method is crop rotating takes care of itself, especially if you have a spring and/or fall garden. The one thing I watch out for the most is tomatoes and try to mix it up as far as where I plant them. So far it has been easy because I keep moving. LOL. But since you are replacing nutrients with compost each change of square, you needn't stress over it too much. You are not committing a whole 40 acres to one crop that is going to forever become a nematode scourge or anything like that.
I googled the Penn State article, only to realize it can vary by crop, and by geographic area. Then I did a search for California. The first hit was Farmer Fred Rant, a site I found before regarding a different subject.

Chopper, you might find this interesting: http://farmerfredrant.blogspot.com/2010/08/its-crop-rotation-time-do-you-have-room.html. He has a pie chart for the rotation.

If you like scotch, one of his posts for Dec 2010 was a review of them all! HA!
avatar
AvaDGardner

Female Posts : 634
Join date : 2012-02-17
Location : Garden Grove, CA (still Zone 10b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  quiltbea on 4/11/2012, 9:37 am

I try to keep my rotation as close to Eliot Coleman's plan as I can. He's a very successful Organic gardener. He, too, is a northeast gardener like me and also a respected garden book (Four-Season Harvest) author.

Sweet Corn (chop up the stalks and bury them in the soil), followed next time by:

Potatoes, next come

Peas (plant cover crop in fall, like oats, if you can), next come

Brassicas: Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Turnip, Radishes, next

Tomatoes, Peppers and Eggplant, next

Cukes, Squash, Melons, Zucchini, Pumpkin, next

Root Crops and Salad Crops: Lettuce, Carrots, Parsnips, Onions, Garlic, Spinach, Swiss Chard, followed by

Beans,

Then start all over again.

With a SFG and different crops in each square, it means lots of planning ahead for the coming year, but its such fun for a winter project. If I don't put in a crop, I just skip to the next one on the list, like sweet corn to peas if no potatoes scheduled. It's not a strict plan but it means less depletion of soil needs for the next crop.
avatar
quiltbea

Female Posts : 4690
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 75
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Crop rotation

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 3 of 6 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum