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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/6/2013, 11:42 pm

I did some searches before posting and read the SFG member's postings on Table Top Raised Beds.

My question is what type/brands of landscape/weed fabric?

I bought some last year to start a project and decided to do it this spring. I went to the garage and picked up the landscape/weed fabric and it fell apart. So I want to get the correct type so as all the soil mix doesn't fall to the ground.

One other question. I plant on using a remineralizer along with Mel's Mix and was wonder if anyone has plans to capture the drainage form the mix to re-apply to the soil mix - or is this not correct to do?
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Post  Gunny on 3/7/2013, 12:03 am

Howdy,
I used plywood bottoms on my table beds then took a contractor's bag and covered the bottom and up the sides about four inches, punched a hole in the center and placed a bucket under to catch any runoff to recycle through the table bed. No use wasting the nutrients that flow through with the runoff. Hope this will help a little.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/7/2013, 1:18 am

Thanks for the re-cycle tip.

I've been thinking of going the plywood bottom route instead of the landscape fabric - I got some information about a product (Pro) and it's $156 a roll (large roll 5' x 250') plus shipping. So the plywood bottom is looking good.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/7/2013, 2:47 am

BTW Gunny are you using landscape fabric inside on the plywood bottom? And what thickness of plywood 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, 1/4 inch etc
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Post  llama momma on 3/7/2013, 4:25 am

Like to Garden-
I don't have the landscape fabric wrapping anymore, or I'd tell you the brand name and description. I do recall it lasted for 10 years. Look for similar durability and I bet you'll be alright. Mine is just 2 yrs old and no problems so far. Haven't a clue about the remineralizer you mentioned, we don't use it in sq. ft. gardening.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/8/2013, 12:16 am

Thanks for your information on the landscape fabric llama momma.
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Post  dvelten on 3/8/2013, 9:50 am

LikeToGarden, you are asking about building a tabletop. You will need a support underneath to support the weight of moistened MM and your plants. Mel recommends (exterior) plywood with drain holes. Holes are placed in the center of each square and in each of the four corners. The landscape fabric is used inside to keep the MM from washing out. Landscape fabric can't be used as a bottom for the box, it is far too weak. Other possibilities for the bottom include galvanized hardware cloth (I used 1/2"), galvanized or stainless steel expanded metal lath, and plastic or cedar lattice. You can find all this stuff at Lowes or Home Depot.

As far as a remineralizer, I don't know what that would be used for. thinking The MM used in SFG is very absorbent and holds water well. You don't need to water the bed until water is running out in buckets. Just keep it evenly moist. And SFG is based on using compost as the only nutrient source. Chemical fertilizers are not used, so there is no mineral runoff to capture. Nutrient cations are bound to the organic matter in the mix and are resistant to being flushed out by watering. That's what is great about SFG. It is a well researched system that just works and makes gardening much simpler and enjoyable. Very Happy
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Post  Hoggar on 3/8/2013, 10:33 am

Hi LikeToGarden,

Here is a great post by Boffer with a lot of good info on building Table top SFGs
Building a table top sfgsome ideas
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Post  Gunny on 3/8/2013, 4:24 pm

Howdy,
When I built my beds I just added legs to them to bring them up to the level that I wanted. Real easy. All my table beds are made out of reclaimed and repurposed lumber. No cost to me except the deck screws. I made four half beds and one 3x6 that was mostly pre-made. Very simple to do, used 2x4's and attached them to the outside to reinforce the corner joints. Have fun.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/8/2013, 10:00 pm

@dvelten wrote:LikeToGarden, you are asking about building a tabletop. You will need a support underneath to support the weight of moistened MM and your plants. Mel recommends (exterior) plywood with drain holes. Holes are placed in the center of each square and in each of the four corners. The landscape fabric is used inside to keep the MM from washing out. Landscape fabric can't be used as a bottom for the box, it is far too weak. Other possibilities for the bottom include galvanized hardware cloth (I used 1/2"), galvanized or stainless steel expanded metal lath, and plastic or cedar lattice. You can find all this stuff at Lowes or Home Depot.

As far as a remineralizer, I don't know what that would be used for. thinking The MM used in SFG is very absorbent and holds water well. You don't need to water the bed until water is running out in buckets. Just keep it evenly moist. And SFG is based on using compost as the only nutrient source. Chemical fertilizers are not used, so there is no mineral runoff to capture. Nutrient cations are bound to the organic matter in the mix and are resistant to being flushed out by watering. That's what is great about SFG. It is a well researched system that just works and makes gardening much simpler and enjoyable. Very Happy

Actually dvelten I am trying to find a brand of landscape fabric that doesn't tear to sherds within a year - as I mentioned in my beginning post. Someone told me to get the DuPont Pro but they quick making it last year.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/8/2013, 10:02 pm

@Hoggar wrote:Hi LikeToGarden,

Here is a great post by Boffer with a lot of good info on building Table top SFGs
Building a table top sfgsome ideas

Actually that was the first thread I read Hoggar. Excellent thread. But did not say which type of landscape fabric to use
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/8/2013, 10:03 pm

@Gunny wrote:Howdy,
When I built my beds I just added legs to them to bring them up to the level that I wanted. Real easy. All my table beds are made out of reclaimed and repurposed lumber. No cost to me except the deck screws. I made four half beds and one 3x6 that was mostly pre-made. Very simple to do, used 2x4's and attached them to the outside to reinforce the corner joints. Have fun.

Thanks Gunny for the tips.
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Post  Gunny on 3/8/2013, 11:13 pm

You're welcome BTW I didn't use any fabric in the beds. Just wanted something simple and easy as my growing season was fast approaching and I had a lot to do. If you are using commercial compost, be sure to sift it before you make up your MM, because there is a lot of foreign objects in it. Not all natural stuff. This is true even if it is certified organic. Hope this helps.
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/9/2013, 4:13 am

Would this type of home made shifter work
todayshomeowner [DOT] com/video/soil-sifter/
it seems the cheapest way to go.
Should I make two one at 1/4 and one at 1/2 and do two shifts?
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Post  Gunny on 3/9/2013, 8:13 am

I think if you are young enough to use that type of sifter it would be fine. I would go with the 1/4" cloth though, I first used the 1/2" because it was available, but found that it let to much through that wasn't good so I had to go and get 1/4" and built a frame for my wheelbarrow so that the sifter rides on the frame and moves back and forth. This I can do sitting down and it takes the strain off of my 6'4" frame. Most everything is built for the vertically challenged individual which makes my life very painful with everything so low to the ground. If I can sit down and do it I will. This is one of my table beds when I was putting them together and this is my site down sifter on the wheelbarrow,

And this is my garden on the one week ago looking South

And looking North

I am thinking of building one more sifter using the 1/8" cloth for a really fine mix for seed starting, but that is down the road for awhile. I hope all of this will be a help to you. Happy gardening,
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Post  LikeToGarden on 3/9/2013, 6:19 pm

Thanks Gunny for all your help. I went and got the materials to build some beds starting with a 2' x 4'x 6" Table Top bed.
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