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Post  sfg4uKim on 3/24/2013, 9:01 pm

Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

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Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  camprn on 3/24/2013, 9:09 pm

THere is a lot on the web about a conbo of the two. It seems the difference is there is no Mel's mix but the close, intensive planting is similar in style. http://switzerland.tasis.com/uploaded/documents/PDF_News/2011-2012/TASIS_Garden_Project.pdf

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Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 9:45 pm

I used to do quite a lot of reading in their forum. They have many topics from alternative energy to sustainable gardening techniques to homesteading principles to animal husbandry. Here: http://www.permies.com/forums they even have a SFG thread. I am on my phone so can't get to the specific link right now.
I have posted a few links to some of the stuff over there. One was an emergency stove called a " TLUD" stands for Top Lit Up Draft stove everyone needs to know about. I will post The best link when I finish this post.

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Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 9:53 pm

Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.

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Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 11:55 pm

Here is the link to their SFG thread: http://www.permies.com/t/13092/permaculture/Square-Foot-Permaculture

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Post  sfg4uKim on 3/25/2013, 6:26 am

Thank you!

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Post  HillbillyBob on 3/25/2013, 8:23 am

@Pepper wrote:Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.
Humm Pepper that's the same thing as a duckblind heater it's been around for many years

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Post  Pepper on 3/25/2013, 8:54 am

Yes it has been around in many forms. I had not seen this concept before and am sure most folks have not either. As a survival tool knowing how to make it or something similar is priceless knowledge.

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Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 10:48 am

@sfg4uKim wrote:Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

I practice permaculture and use SFG(I'm also in the middle of taking my PDC). They do work well together (Gaea's Garden by Toby Hemenway, a Permaculture book, talks about SFG). SFG lends itself well to the stacking-over-time aspect of permaculture. Permacultural tendencies help me with attracting(and providing habitat for) predators of insects, making compost(there's nothing like abundance to provide you with biomass) and to reduce my watering bill for the SFG beds. Permaculture's design principles help you make the most efficient use of limited space.

Here are a few youtube videos that are great resources(some are long):

Bill Mollison's(co-originator of permaculture) Global Gardener(each ~30 minutes)
Part 1 The Tropics
Part 2 Dry Lands
Part 3 Cool Climates
Part 4 Urban

How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Earth, but Not Civilization(~1 hour, is a bit doomy and gloomy, but well worth the watch). You can search for "Toby Heminway agriculture" for 2 more 1+ hour videos(plus others).

If you're a nerd(like me!) you can also search for David Holmgren(co-originator of permaculture), his stuff is a lot more cerebral.

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Post  sfg4uKim on 3/25/2013, 11:17 am

@Unmutual wrote:
@sfg4uKim wrote:Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

I practice permaculture and use SFG(I'm also in the middle of taking my PDC). They do work well together (Gaea's Garden by Toby Hemenway, a Permaculture book, talks about SFG). SFG lends itself well to the stacking-over-time aspect of permaculture. Permacultural tendencies help me with attracting(and providing habitat for) predators of insects, making compost(there's nothing like abundance to provide you with biomass) and to reduce my watering bill for the SFG beds. Permaculture's design principles help you make the most efficient use of limited space.

Here are a few youtube videos that are great resources(some are long):

Bill Mollison's(co-originator of permaculture) Global Gardener(each ~30 minutes)
Part 1 The Tropics
Part 2 Dry Lands
Part 3 Cool Climates
Part 4 Urban

How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Earth, but Not Civilization(~1 hour, is a bit doomy and gloomy, but well worth the watch). You can search for "Toby Heminway agriculture" for 2 more 1+ hour videos(plus others).

If you're a nerd(like me!) you can also search for David Holmgren(co-originator of permaculture), his stuff is a lot more cerebral.

One of the reasons I started this is because I'm thinking about taking the PDC (one's starting up 30-40 minutes from here next month.

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Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  camprn on 3/25/2013, 12:01 pm

PDC = what?

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Post  Pepper on 3/25/2013, 12:08 pm

Camp, I think it means Permaculture Design Course. Sorta a hands on advanced theory and application class.

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Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 1:05 pm

@Pepper wrote:Camp, I think it means Permaculture Design Course. Sorta a hands on advanced theory and application class.

Permaculture Design Course(and to make things more confusing, it can also mean Permaculture Design Certificate, but I'm using it in the course context with the intent of getting my certificate).

It's 72 contact hours(or more as the case may be) of instruction(some of it is hands-on or at least involving seeing it work). It's taken from Bill Mollison's Permaculture: A Designer's Manual. You don't need a PDC to practice permaculture, but if you want to teach it or run a business with the word Permaculture in it, it's recommended(no, copyright fanatics aren't going to sue you, but it's a rite of passage kind of thing).

Some people do have classes on permaculture without offering the complete PDC(rocket mass stoves, alternative housing, etc.).

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Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 1:15 pm

@HillbillyBob wrote:
@Pepper wrote:Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.
Humm Pepper that's the same thing as a duckblind heater it's been around for many years

There is nothing new in permaculture. It is a design system which helps you to see the patterns in nature and among your own systems(be it your house, water, energy, food systems, wood lot, etc.). For instance, the rocket mass heater/TLUD/duckblind heater were developed from Kang heating dating back to ~5000 BC.

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