Square Foot Gardening Forum

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing February 2017?
by Kelejan Yesterday at 10:10 pm

» Ground Cherries
by elysia Yesterday at 8:36 pm

» Calling all chicken owners
by llama momma Yesterday at 8:27 pm

» Compost for Mel's Mix
by wombocombo626 Yesterday at 8:27 pm

» Lower South Feb 2017
by mschaef Yesterday at 7:43 pm

» Hello from (near) our nation's capital!
by sfg4uKim Yesterday at 7:31 pm

» Mid-Atl - Mar 2017 - I'm a seed-a-holic
by sfg4uKim Yesterday at 7:29 pm

» My Solar Dehydrator at Work
by newbeone Yesterday at 7:19 pm

» Indoor Seed Starting Info?
by sfg4uKim Yesterday at 6:21 pm

» New SFG not sure where to go this year
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 5:12 pm

» Oh Baby it's getting HOT Outside
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 4:59 pm

» Cauliflower
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 4:56 pm

» My name is boffer, and I'm a juicer.
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 4:45 pm

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 4:39 pm

» Hello from DFW
by RC3291 Yesterday at 12:26 pm

» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by Mellen Yesterday at 12:10 pm

» So. California & Inland Valleys -March / April Planting Guide
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 11:32 am

» Happy Birthday!!
by Kelejan Yesterday at 11:21 am

» How to save ground cherry harvest???
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 11:13 am

» Hello from Pottstown, PA
by newbeone Yesterday at 7:46 am

» Advice and Preparations for Sweet Potatoes in Wisconsin
by sanderson Yesterday at 1:25 am

» February 2017 Avatar: Time to Wake Up!
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 12:17 am

» Bare Root Fruit Trees
by countrynaturals 2/25/2017, 7:13 pm

» Gardening in Central Pennsylvania, 3rd year SFG
by BeetlesPerSqFt 2/25/2017, 6:12 pm

» Invasive Tree Roots - Very important topic for newbies.
by sanderson 2/25/2017, 4:25 pm

» Winter Gardens - Photos
by BeetlesPerSqFt 2/25/2017, 12:45 pm

» Turan in the Western Mountains
by Turan 2/25/2017, 12:23 pm

» One Very Happy Earthworm!
by countrynaturals 2/25/2017, 11:14 am

» My experiences with commercial cedar raised beds
by ralitaco 2/25/2017, 11:06 am

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by sanderson 2/25/2017, 3:18 am

Google

Search SFG Forum

SFG & Permaculture

View previous topic View next topic Go down

SFG & Permaculture

Post  sfg4uKim on 3/24/2013, 9:01 pm

Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

____________________________

I have seen women looking at jewelry ads with a misty eye and one hand resting on the heart, and I only know what they're feeling because that's how I read the seed catalogs in January - Barbara Kingsolver - Animal, Vegetable, Miracle


sfg4u.com
FB: Square Foot Gardening 4 U




sfg4uKim

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 1908
Join date : 2010-09-30
Age : 58
Location : Glen Burnie, MD

View user profile http://sfg4u.com

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  camprn on 3/24/2013, 9:09 pm

THere is a lot on the web about a conbo of the two. It seems the difference is there is no Mel's mix but the close, intensive planting is similar in style. http://switzerland.tasis.com/uploaded/documents/PDF_News/2011-2012/TASIS_Garden_Project.pdf

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books




camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14078
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 9:45 pm

I used to do quite a lot of reading in their forum. They have many topics from alternative energy to sustainable gardening techniques to homesteading principles to animal husbandry. Here: http://www.permies.com/forums they even have a SFG thread. I am on my phone so can't get to the specific link right now.
I have posted a few links to some of the stuff over there. One was an emergency stove called a " TLUD" stands for Top Lit Up Draft stove everyone needs to know about. I will post The best link when I finish this post.

Pepper

Male Posts : 564
Join date : 2012-03-04
Location : Columbus, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 9:53 pm

Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.

Pepper

Male Posts : 564
Join date : 2012-03-04
Location : Columbus, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Pepper on 3/24/2013, 11:55 pm

Here is the link to their SFG thread: http://www.permies.com/t/13092/permaculture/Square-Foot-Permaculture

Pepper

Male Posts : 564
Join date : 2012-03-04
Location : Columbus, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  sfg4uKim on 3/25/2013, 6:26 am

Thank you!

____________________________

I have seen women looking at jewelry ads with a misty eye and one hand resting on the heart, and I only know what they're feeling because that's how I read the seed catalogs in January - Barbara Kingsolver - Animal, Vegetable, Miracle


sfg4u.com
FB: Square Foot Gardening 4 U




sfg4uKim

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 1908
Join date : 2010-09-30
Age : 58
Location : Glen Burnie, MD

View user profile http://sfg4u.com

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  HillbillyBob on 3/25/2013, 8:23 am

@Pepper wrote:Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.
Humm Pepper that's the same thing as a duckblind heater it's been around for many years

HillbillyBob

Male Posts : 162
Join date : 2011-12-27
Location : E.Texas

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Pepper on 3/25/2013, 8:54 am

Yes it has been around in many forms. I had not seen this concept before and am sure most folks have not either. As a survival tool knowing how to make it or something similar is priceless knowledge.

Pepper

Male Posts : 564
Join date : 2012-03-04
Location : Columbus, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 10:48 am

@sfg4uKim wrote:Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

I practice permaculture and use SFG(I'm also in the middle of taking my PDC). They do work well together (Gaea's Garden by Toby Hemenway, a Permaculture book, talks about SFG). SFG lends itself well to the stacking-over-time aspect of permaculture. Permacultural tendencies help me with attracting(and providing habitat for) predators of insects, making compost(there's nothing like abundance to provide you with biomass) and to reduce my watering bill for the SFG beds. Permaculture's design principles help you make the most efficient use of limited space.

Here are a few youtube videos that are great resources(some are long):

Bill Mollison's(co-originator of permaculture) Global Gardener(each ~30 minutes)
Part 1 The Tropics
Part 2 Dry Lands
Part 3 Cool Climates
Part 4 Urban

How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Earth, but Not Civilization(~1 hour, is a bit doomy and gloomy, but well worth the watch). You can search for "Toby Heminway agriculture" for 2 more 1+ hour videos(plus others).

If you're a nerd(like me!) you can also search for David Holmgren(co-originator of permaculture), his stuff is a lot more cerebral.

Unmutual

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 396
Join date : 2011-04-23
Age : 44
Location : Greater New Orleans Area Westbank(Zone 9b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  sfg4uKim on 3/25/2013, 11:17 am

@Unmutual wrote:
@sfg4uKim wrote:Is anyone familiar with permaculture? PERMACULTURE

I've been told that SFG would be a great method to use in this system.

Thoughts?

I practice permaculture and use SFG(I'm also in the middle of taking my PDC). They do work well together (Gaea's Garden by Toby Hemenway, a Permaculture book, talks about SFG). SFG lends itself well to the stacking-over-time aspect of permaculture. Permacultural tendencies help me with attracting(and providing habitat for) predators of insects, making compost(there's nothing like abundance to provide you with biomass) and to reduce my watering bill for the SFG beds. Permaculture's design principles help you make the most efficient use of limited space.

Here are a few youtube videos that are great resources(some are long):

Bill Mollison's(co-originator of permaculture) Global Gardener(each ~30 minutes)
Part 1 The Tropics
Part 2 Dry Lands
Part 3 Cool Climates
Part 4 Urban

How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Earth, but Not Civilization(~1 hour, is a bit doomy and gloomy, but well worth the watch). You can search for "Toby Heminway agriculture" for 2 more 1+ hour videos(plus others).

If you're a nerd(like me!) you can also search for David Holmgren(co-originator of permaculture), his stuff is a lot more cerebral.

One of the reasons I started this is because I'm thinking about taking the PDC (one's starting up 30-40 minutes from here next month.

____________________________

I have seen women looking at jewelry ads with a misty eye and one hand resting on the heart, and I only know what they're feeling because that's how I read the seed catalogs in January - Barbara Kingsolver - Animal, Vegetable, Miracle


sfg4u.com
FB: Square Foot Gardening 4 U




sfg4uKim

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 1908
Join date : 2010-09-30
Age : 58
Location : Glen Burnie, MD

View user profile http://sfg4u.com

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  camprn on 3/25/2013, 12:01 pm

PDC = what?

____________________________

41 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1306-other-gardening-books




camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14078
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Pepper on 3/25/2013, 12:08 pm

Camp, I think it means Permaculture Design Course. Sorta a hands on advanced theory and application class.

Pepper

Male Posts : 564
Join date : 2012-03-04
Location : Columbus, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 1:05 pm

@Pepper wrote:Camp, I think it means Permaculture Design Course. Sorta a hands on advanced theory and application class.

Permaculture Design Course(and to make things more confusing, it can also mean Permaculture Design Certificate, but I'm using it in the course context with the intent of getting my certificate).

It's 72 contact hours(or more as the case may be) of instruction(some of it is hands-on or at least involving seeing it work). It's taken from Bill Mollison's Permaculture: A Designer's Manual. You don't need a PDC to practice permaculture, but if you want to teach it or run a business with the word Permaculture in it, it's recommended(no, copyright fanatics aren't going to sue you, but it's a rite of passage kind of thing).

Some people do have classes on permaculture without offering the complete PDC(rocket mass stoves, alternative housing, etc.).

Unmutual

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 396
Join date : 2011-04-23
Age : 44
Location : Greater New Orleans Area Westbank(Zone 9b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Unmutual on 3/25/2013, 1:15 pm

@HillbillyBob wrote:
@Pepper wrote:Here is the TLUD link http://www.permies.com/t/8367/wood-burning-stoves/top-lit-updraft-TLUD-wood
I the event of power outages for extended times this will save your bacon. Rocket mass heaters are something we all need to learn about and how to make. Wood gasification can and has ran vehicles, backup generators and provide efficient heat sources.
Humm Pepper that's the same thing as a duckblind heater it's been around for many years

There is nothing new in permaculture. It is a design system which helps you to see the patterns in nature and among your own systems(be it your house, water, energy, food systems, wood lot, etc.). For instance, the rocket mass heater/TLUD/duckblind heater were developed from Kang heating dating back to ~5000 BC.

Unmutual

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 396
Join date : 2011-04-23
Age : 44
Location : Greater New Orleans Area Westbank(Zone 9b)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: SFG & Permaculture

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum