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Re: growing corn

Post  quiltbea on 7/19/2013, 11:00 pm

Even if they are ugly, they are yours and they were enjoyed at the table.  Good for you.
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Post  RoOsTeR on 7/19/2013, 11:11 pm

@quiltbea wrote:Even if they are ugly, they are yours and they were enjoyed at the table.  Good for you.

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Re: growing corn

Post  Triciasgarden on 7/20/2013, 8:59 pm

I was up late one night weeks ago trying to find out why farmers de-tassle corn.  I can't even remember if I found the answer but I did find these other videos about corn.  I saved them and forgot about them until I read the posts on this topic.  I think you will learn some things as I did.  I have to re-watch them because I was so tired that night and didn't remember some of what was said.

Corn Maturity Stages
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHq8QQ-tSKs&NR=1&feature=endscreen

 Ear Shake Test

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7DiwD4N0T0

 How to tell when corn is ready to harvest

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm0m3RrMyTU

When the guy mentions that the top needs to be rounded.  If the top kernels did not get fertilized, it will not be rounded.  That is a mistake I have made in the past, waiting for it to fill out at the top.  I end up waiting too long and my corn has been tough.  Someone also posted that you can put 16 plants per square with sfgs.  That's wrong as we know.  It is four per square.

Lyndeeloo I have had  plenty of corn like that also.  It is still yummy and pretty!  I never knew until now why it ended up that way.
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Re: growing corn

Post  littlejo on 7/20/2013, 10:00 pm

Tricia,
Farmers that grow seed corn for a hybrid, ex: Silver Queen, de-tassell 1 variety that is planted, leaving the tassels on the variety that will be the pollinators for the whole field. I don't really understand it, but, silver queen is some good corn.
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Re: growing corn

Post  Pollinator on 7/20/2013, 10:53 pm

@lyndeeloo wrote:I was a little sad because they had looked so good I thought maybe we'd get some corn. I looked it up on the internet and it says they were not properly pollinated, not enough plants in the rows.

I'm glad the ears tasted good, anyway. But it's not necessary to have large amounts of corn, or to plant in any particular manner. You can and pollinate it easily.
http://gardensouth.org/2011/07/09/you-can-avoid-corn-pollination-failure/
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Re: growing corn

Post  Pollinator on 7/20/2013, 10:56 pm

@littlejo wrote:Tricia,
Farmers that grow seed corn for a hybrid, ex: Silver Queen, de-tassell 1 variety that is planted, leaving the tassels on the variety that will be the pollinators for the whole field. I don't really understand it, but, silver queen is some good corn.
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Pollinators are the carriers that move pollen, such as bees and other insects. Plants that provide pollen (daddies) are "pollenizers."

There's a big difference. Like the difference between the bull and the artificial insemination technician on the dairy farm.
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Post  Goosegirl on 7/20/2013, 11:11 pm

@lyndeeloo wrote:First time growing corn this year...........
Holy Corn Balls Batman

I was so excited, we'd actually grown some corn! They are so small and so ugly that they are almost cute. It doesn't matter... they were DELICIOUS!!
I have had NO success with corn in my garden, but this year is the first year I am trying it in my SFG.  I will be    if I get cobs like that!  Last time I tried corn I lost the whole crop to smut - altho' that is a delicacy, and I have seen a few recipes for it since that crop...

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Post  sanderson on 7/21/2013, 12:19 am

Pollinator, That was a nice, straight-forward link you posted. Thanks for sharing.it.
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Post  TxGramma on 7/21/2013, 12:42 am

Pollinator, awesome link. Thanks for the info, definitely storing that away among my gardening tips.
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Re: growing corn

Post  Triciasgarden on 7/21/2013, 1:23 am

That is a great link Pollinator and explains pollination of corn very well!  My husband's uncles all had farms in Nebraska.  I asked several of them why they detassle corn as my husband and his brothers were hired one summer to detassle corn.  None of the uncles I asked even knew why they detassled the corn.  It was just something they did.  They said something about detassling every other row.  I don't understand it either.
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Post  lyndeeloo on 7/21/2013, 8:40 am

Thank you for all the corn growing/pollinating information. Now I can't wait for next year to put it all to good use! Those little ears were so good I will definitely be planting a lot more next year!Very Happy 
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Post  Pollinator on 7/21/2013, 11:05 pm

@Triciasgarden wrote:That is a great link Pollinator and explains pollination of corn very well!  My husband's uncles all had farms in Nebraska.  I asked several of them why they detassle corn as my husband and his brothers were hired one summer to detassle corn.  None of the uncles I asked even knew why they detassled the corn.  It was just something they did.  They said something about detassling every other row.  I don't understand it either.

They are producing hybrid seed. The pollenizer rows are often called the "bull rows" and the ones that are receiving the pollen are referred to as the "cow rows,"
because only the female flowers (the silks) remain.

Hybrids are a cross between two inbred varieties. With corn it's as simple as removing the tassles from the cow rows, and saving only the seeds from those rows. Most cornfields today are grown from hybrid seed. It gives increased vigor to the plants, and often other advantages, as well.
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Post  walshevak on 7/22/2013, 12:15 pm

Pollinator

That article explains a lot of the pollen in the air around my house. I'm near a lot of corn fields. I don't grow corn in my garden because at least one of the fields has corn every year and it's not sweet corn.

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Re: growing corn

Post  CapeCoddess on 9/7/2013, 6:56 pm

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@quiltbea wrote:I remember reading somewhere that when the silks begin, you should dribble some mineral oil on the silks to prevent earworm.  Has anyone tried this?
 Yeah, it is how I dealt with corn ear worms when in SD.  Don't put it on the silks as such, put it into the husks, in the tunnel the silks go through the husks.  There is a certain point in time that is important too, because you can hurt pollenation if done too soon and miss the larvae if done too late.  I think you can add Bt to the oil for extra punch as well.

A good description of the process~
[url=http://www.pfi.iastate.edu/ofr/Crops/SA14_Protecting_Sweet_Corn_from_Corn_Earworm_w_Oil_and Btk.pdf]“When the silks were turning brown, I treated. I used a quart oil can treat - ing the plots with (refined) soybean vegetable oil and Btk. (3 teaspoons per quart of oil)... I placed a small squirt from the can on the tip of each ear as quickly as I could.” Research elsewhere has used as much as one part Btk to five parts oil, applying about 0.5 ml (1/10 teaspoon) to the silk where it enters the silk channel (Hazzard et al., 2003). If the Btk is a powdered prod - uct, a food grade emulsifier such as lecithin may be added as well (Hazzard, 2001). In some of those trials mineral oil was a little more effective than veg - etable oil, but mineral oil is not permitted for use on commercial food crops unless it is part of a registered pesticide. In the Guthries’ organic system, a refined vegetable oil was the clear choice. “It is very important that treatment is done two days after full silk, when the silks are beginning to brown. Too-early treatment causes non-pollination at the tips of the ears. I treated Incredible (the variety) perhaps a couple of days too early and had a fair number of ears that were not filled out. They would still be clean ears but just not filled out. If you treat too late, you will get less effective control of the corn earworm.”[/url]
This is exactly the info I was searching for!  So I need to have silks on ears before adding the mineral oil.  This thing coming out of the middle isn't silks since there are no ears yet, right?  What is it?

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Post  southern gardener on 9/7/2013, 6:58 pm

@CapeCoddess wrote:
@Turan wrote:
@quiltbea wrote:I remember reading somewhere that when the silks begin, you should dribble some mineral oil on the silks to prevent earworm.  Has anyone tried this?
 Yeah, it is how I dealt with corn ear worms when in SD.  Don't put it on the silks as such, put it into the husks, in the tunnel the silks go through the husks.  There is a certain point in time that is important too, because you can hurt pollenation if done too soon and miss the larvae if done too late.  I think you can add Bt to the oil for extra punch as well.

A good description of the process~
[url=http://www.pfi.iastate.edu/ofr/Crops/SA14_Protecting_Sweet_Corn_from_Corn_Earworm_w_Oil_and Btk.pdf]“When the silks were turning brown, I treated. I used a quart oil can treat - ing the plots with (refined) soybean vegetable oil and Btk. (3 teaspoons per quart of oil)... I placed a small squirt from the can on the tip of each ear as quickly as I could.” Research elsewhere has used as much as one part Btk to five parts oil, applying about 0.5 ml (1/10 teaspoon) to the silk where it enters the silk channel (Hazzard et al., 2003). If the Btk is a powdered prod - uct, a food grade emulsifier such as lecithin may be added as well (Hazzard, 2001). In some of those trials mineral oil was a little more effective than veg - etable oil, but mineral oil is not permitted for use on commercial food crops unless it is part of a registered pesticide. In the Guthries’ organic system, a refined vegetable oil was the clear choice. “It is very important that treatment is done two days after full silk, when the silks are beginning to brown. Too-early treatment causes non-pollination at the tips of the ears. I treated Incredible (the variety) perhaps a couple of days too early and had a fair number of ears that were not filled out. They would still be clean ears but just not filled out. If you treat too late, you will get less effective control of the corn earworm.”[/url]
This is exactly the info I was searching for!  So I need to have silks on ears before adding the mineral oil.  This thing coming out of the middle isn't silks since there are no ears yet, right?  What is it?

CC
That's the tassel, it should shoot up and spread out sort of "star" shaped. The pollen will be attached and fall onto your silks which should protrude out of your ears that develop onto the stalks. You're gettin' close!!
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Post  CapeCoddess on 9/7/2013, 7:12 pm

Yippee! Thanks, SG!

I already found one of those disgusting worms down inside one of the plants coz of the frass it left. Don't know if that plant will be productive or not but it's still alive despite my operating on it.

This is Silver Queen and I read above that Jo thinks it's the best, so now I'm anxious to try it. I planted late, July 4th, on a whim when someone gave me a pack of seeds/kernals. Didn't expect anything so this is a nice surprise.

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Post  southern gardener on 9/7/2013, 7:24 pm

We had some amazing Silver Queen ears. It had 9 square feet to itself and made 10-11 ears!  It was crazy. We grew a whole box with 4 per square as recommended in 6" of soil and get a few scronny sized ears. Not worth it for sure. We are trying another box with no weed cloth on the bottom to see if we get better results. Hope yours does well!! The ears we got off of the huge stalk was DELISH!!


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Post  CapeCoddess on 9/7/2013, 7:31 pm

Good to know. Mine are in my squash garden, which is an old style SFG and bottomless, not in a box.

Got my fingers crossed!

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Post  WriterCPA on 9/7/2013, 8:27 pm

Storing away that tip on oil. Last year -- it was the squirrels, this year -- worms.

I know fresh corn will be worth it. Next year in the corn field!

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Post  littlejo on 9/8/2013, 8:35 am

@CapeCoddess wrote:Yippee!  Thanks, SG!  

I already found one of those disgusting worms down inside one of the plants coz of the frass it left.  Don't know if that plant will be productive or not but it's still alive despite my operating on it.

This is Silver Queen and I read above that Jo thinks it's the best, so now I'm anxious to try it.  I planted late, July 4th, on a whim when someone gave me a pack of seeds/kernals.  Didn't expect anything so this is a nice surprise.

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The biggest hint (at least down here) is to plant early. The worms arrive and will get late corn for sure! If you expect a late frost, toss an old sheet over. I threw a bit of bird netting over the bed to keep out the squirrels when the plants were little.
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Post  sanderson on 10/9/2013, 4:29 pm

First time trying corn.  I have green tassels at the top but no sign of corn yet.  When can I expect the corn to show up?  I know it's late in the season but I just had to try it.  First frost is not until Nov 15 and it was probably closer to Christmas last year.  I'm growing Silver Queen!!
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Post  littlejo on 10/9/2013, 8:14 pm

The corn ears with the silks will come on/start growing when the tassels are fully open. It probably takes a few days for the ears to start. You should have plenty of time to get some corn, but watch out for the corn ear worm. They appear late in the season here.
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Post  CapeCoddess on 10/16/2013, 8:19 pm

My ear of corn is growing a baby!  What's happening?  

And should I pick the big one yet? If not, how do you know when to?

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Post  littlejo on 10/16/2013, 8:38 pm

The baby ear won't make this late in the season, some corn will make an ear that will be small but will have corn on it in the spring.
I'd wait on picking the corn til the silk is real brown. If you are expecting a frost, you can gently pull back the husk a little bit and see if the corn has filled out enough. Pick before frost comes!
What kind of corn is it? Looks tasty!
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Post  sanderson on 10/16/2013, 10:53 pm

My first corn have tassels with open "flowers" that are starting to shed pollen. But, there are no ears or silks. Should I call it good for the year and pull them up? I will definitely grow them next spring. I'm putting a few boxes to bed until March 1.

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