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Post  dwadec21 on 4/24/2013, 12:15 pm

I built my first SFG and planted both seeds and plants. The seeds took off and the plants look really healthy the first couple of weeks. We've been watering them everyday. I used mels mix, 1/3 verm. (course,) 1/3 peet moss, and 1/3 Compost (a couple bags from local supply houses but mostly mushroom compost.)

Everything just seemed to stop growing and are looking yellow. Weve had a couple (2) record lows for the month (40 degrees but no lower) but mostly warm days and nights.

I also, as you see, have 1 tomato plant that has brown leaves.

Ill take any advice anyone is willing to give me. Thanks, Dusty

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Post  R&R 1011 on 4/24/2013, 12:45 pm

I dont have an answer since Im somewhat a beginner myself. I just wanted to say nice SFG. Love the stones.
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Post  CapeCoddess on 4/24/2013, 2:33 pm

Pretty! I love the stones, too. Are they laid on or permanently attached?

Also, it looks like your tomato is missing it's main stem if I'm seeing it correctly. Is that what's happening there? If there's a break there can you post a clearer photo of the whole plant please? I don't think that would turn the leaves yellow, that may be it needing fed, but it will certainly stunt the growth for a while til a new main stem comes along.

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Post  jazzycat on 4/24/2013, 2:40 pm

I'm new as well, so I don't know, but I agree it looks like the main stem was broken. Maybe you're overwatering? It can be very moist deep where the roots are, and completely dry on top.

Nice trellis. Smile

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Post  llama momma on 4/24/2013, 2:44 pm

[quote="dwadec21"]I built my first SFG and planted both seeds and plants. I used mels mix, 1/3 verm. (course,) 1/3 peet moss, and 1/3 Compost (a couple bags from local supply houses but mostly mushroom compost.)

Everything just seemed to stop growing and are looking yellow. Weve had a couple (2) record lows for the month (40 degrees but no lower) but mostly warm days and nights.

I also, as you see, have 1 tomato plant that has brown leaves.

Ill take any advice anyone is willing to give me. Thanks, Dusty

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1-Tomatoes don't like it in the forties.
2- Peat and vermiculite make the soil mix light, airy, friable. It is not considered plant nutrition.
The compost portion is clearly your problem. It is the nutritional source for plants. The book explains very well why and what to use. Mushroom is only one source. You need a minimum of 5 different nutritious sources. Mixed Together, those 5 become one third (by volume) of your 1/3 peat, 1/3 vermiculite, and 1/3 compost. Then you have a powerful mix to sustain plant life till the next harvest in each square.
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Post  camprn on 4/24/2013, 2:49 pm

Ok, this is what I see, the symptoms may stand alone or be related:

All plants, possible nutrient deficiency, see discoloration of new foliage.

Probably too much water

insufficient blend of composts... did you use at least 5 different types?

Did you run out of the compost blend and add more sphagnum peat?

Yellow older leaves, may just be old. Remove them and things will look better. The new foliage that looks yellow may be a nitrogen problem.

The tomato has definite nutrient deficiency, check online for foliage symptoms and related specific missing nutrient.

A major consideration about garden soil is that nothing performs in a vacuum. If there is too much peat, there are fewer nutrients and a lower pH reduces nutrient uptake. Too much water and nutrients flush away or the roots cannot get air. etc, etc.


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Post  Pepper on 4/24/2013, 2:52 pm

First glad you\'re here to the forum dwadec21. You have done a great job with your garden.

I am new here also this is my second year, but here is my two cents worth. There really seems to be a LOT of wood chips in your soil mix. Last year I took a short cut ; the cheap way out; I used a pre-blended 'compost' for $40.00 dollars a yard. The trouble is it had way too much pine tree bark in it. The bark killed the nitrogen content in my mix giving me WAY less than stellar results. I too had trouble with yellowing plants. This year I have screened out all the larger bark and drastically amended the 'compost' with rabbit poo ...the verdict is still out. So far my cukes don't seem to be doing too good, only time will tell if I have to start over with Mel's Mix in those beds.
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Post  drixnot on 4/24/2013, 3:19 pm

I'll agree the problem is too much water and not enough nutrients.

I would suggest using a compost tea... either homemade or purchased.
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Post  camprn on 4/24/2013, 3:32 pm

@drixnot wrote:I'll agree the problem is too much water and not enough nutrients.

I would suggest using a compost tea... either homemade or purchased.
or, you have enough room to topdress with a few inches of quality compost.

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Post  Tris on 4/24/2013, 3:58 pm

Doesn't Mel say there's no such thing as too much water?
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Post  CapeCoddess on 4/24/2013, 4:07 pm

Yes! What a Face

But that would only apply to MM being made according to the recipe. We still don't really know what's going on with this mix.

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Post  llama momma on 4/24/2013, 5:51 pm

@Tris wrote:Doesn't Mel say there's no such thing as too much water?

I think he meant you can't drown your plants.
If you over water I think it's possible to wash out the compost nutrients. Mel says to give plants about a cup of warm water each. Yes it varies. We just want to give those root hairs what they need to absorb nutrients, drink, and breathe.
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Post  walshevak on 4/26/2013, 9:59 pm

I agree, nutrient problem. You may have gotten hold of some poor compost bags. Can you get Black Hen in your area? It will say fertilizer, but it is really a good chicken manure compost and Black Kow is also good. A top dressing of a mixture of these two composts may be just the ticket until you can mix in a good 5 blend when the current crops are are finished.

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