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What is happening to the Beans?

Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 3:33 am

I washed all of the vegetation, including the veggies, last night.  I used the home made solution of dish soap, cooking oil and baking soda.  After cleaning the summer air-pollution crud off the leaves, I saw these:

Here are 2 photos of the leaves of the green beans and 1 photo of the leaves of the Lima beans. Sort of looks like leaf minor on the green beans, but haven't a clue regarding the Lima.




Another pole green in a different area has beautiful pink/purple flowers but no beans.  I expected little beans to show after the flower died, like sweet peas.  ??

Regarding the leaves, do I spray with alcohol?  Neem?  or do nothing?

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Post  batmap on 7/16/2013, 4:16 am

@sanderson wrote:

Another pole green in a different area has beautiful pink/purple flowers but no beans.  I expected little beans to show after the flower died, like sweet peas.  ??

Regarding the leaves, do I spray with alcohol?  Neem?  or do nothing?

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I do not know, but it may be a fungus? Do you know of anything that could be gaining access at night? Some pests can spread disease from plant to plant.

Is the lack of producing due to a cross-pollination need? Make sure bees have access or  you do the pollination... but I can only imagine you would want the bees to do it.

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Post  camprn on 7/16/2013, 6:55 am

The little pin holes? Who knows, mine get like that too.If it is only on a few leaves probably nothing to worry about. The leafminers, just squish the leaves where you see them, the infestation will not continue indefinitely.

The discoloration... is it on both sides of the leaf? It may just be soap residue. At this point it doesn't look like a disease to me.

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Post  mollyhespra on 7/16/2013, 9:52 am

@sanderson wrote:(snip)

After cleaning the summer air-pollution crud off the leaves, I saw these:

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Regarding the leaves, do I spray with alcohol?  Neem?  or do nothing?

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Was the "air pollution crud" collecting along the veins?  Maybe it was just lack of sunlight getting to the leaves from the crud?

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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/16/2013, 10:42 am

In the third picture, with what looks like a film over the leaf, my squash leaves sometimes get that when I've gotten water on them and it has dried out unevenly. Hasn't caused any harm yet that I can tell.

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Re: What is happening to the Beans?

Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 12:51 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

I haven't seen any insects on the leaves.

Water spots or soap is a possibility on the Lima leaf.

The beans were planted recently so the pollution crud wasn't bad on the bean leaves. They get good sunlight.

Hardly any bees this year, but I thought beans had stamen and pistol in the same flower. Self pollinating?

I shall watch and wait.

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Post  Turan on 7/16/2013, 1:16 pm

I know that beans and peas are perfect flowers but I think they still need a bee to stimulate the fall of pollen to fertilize the pistol.  Here is a link describing how to hand pollinate them when the bees aren't around. http://homeguides.sfgate.com/hand-pollinate-scarlet-runner-bean-flowers-78154.html

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Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 1:37 pm

Turan,  Thank you for the link.  I thought the hummingbirds would like the flowers but they don't seem interested.  They love the Mexican sage in the fall.

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Post  Turan on 7/16/2013, 2:14 pm

That is a pretty morning glory blooming next to your cucumber.  Are the beans blooming also?

Here is a pic of a bean flower

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Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 2:54 pm

Turan,  What morning glory?  affraid  Those are the bean flowers!  I'm going to run out and double check!  I wouldn't intentionally plant a MG in a bed.  I heard they are hard to get rid of once planted.

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Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 3:19 pm

Turan, I'm back from checking my "bean."  Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed 

Red faced, but NOT from the heat!

This is my first year gardening AND SFG-ing and I thought I would plant at least one of everything in my 39 sq ft and 30 pots.  Once I saw this "bean" growing, I thought I would plant 3 squares with 3 types of beans.  Even purchased materials for a special 8' trellis for these 24 bean plants.  After all, the morning glory/bean has been wrapped down and up several times on my 4 1/4' trellis.

I. Am. So. Embarrassed!

PS  I did buy lots of extra seedling-pot label sticks for next year so that each pot would have a label.  My green chile pods look just like the Cheyenne pods and I know I mixed some of them up.

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Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 3:20 pm

Should I gently pull up the morning glory from the box so I won't have to deal with volunteers???

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Post  CapeCoddess on 7/16/2013, 3:24 pm

Sanderson, don't feel badly. I have an unknown heirloom tom in my cherry tom box which I didn't realize until the dang tomato got so friggen big I just knew it was wrong... and a there's a cherry tom plant in my heirlooms.

...it happens and I'm sure we've all done it.

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Re: What is happening to the Beans?

Post  camprn on 7/16/2013, 3:25 pm

I would leave it, it's quite lovely. I wish it was in my garden... I never quite got around to planting my morning glories....... dangit 

After the blooms fade, and the pods start turning brown, just snip them off for next year. Note the spade shaped leaf. If you see some next season, where they shouldn't be, then you can pull them.

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Post  sanderson on 7/16/2013, 4:38 pm

CC and CRN, Thanks for the nice words.

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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/16/2013, 7:43 pm

Oh well, at least it's pretty!

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Post  Turan on 7/16/2013, 10:07 pm

O well, bean and morning glory leaves can look rather similar, at least I found so this spring, at a certain stage.  Did I ever tell you about how last spring I carefully pulled up all my beets thinking it was red pig weed? Very Happy

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Re: What is happening to the Beans?

Post  sanderson on 7/30/2013, 4:06 am

I definitely have something going on with my beans.



There is a beastie in the upper leftish part of the photo below, halfway hiding behind the stem.  Leaf hopper?



Good grief, I need help on those finger nails.  Chopped 25 gallons of rotting produce, screened cow manure and Starbucks for my new compost pile.



Found this in the neighboring box.

I plan on spraying with Neem tomorrow unless someone has a different suggestion. The temps are finally below 100 for the week. Thanks

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Post  batmap on 7/30/2013, 8:20 pm

Could be leaf hoppers or garden fleahopper (another garden fleahopper), but the recent picture at the bottom looks like a bean leaf beetle. This chart suggests it may be slugs.

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Post  camprn on 7/30/2013, 9:11 pm

@batmap wrote:Could be leaf hoppers or garden fleahopper (another garden fleahopper), but the recent picture at the bottom looks like a bean leaf beetle. This chart suggests it may be slugs.
Could be any number of things.....




Because bean plants are constantly making new leaves, I just remove leaves that look like that, and then everything looks well afterwords.

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Post  CapeCoddess on 7/31/2013, 11:42 am

My bush beans had all kinds of things going on with them, except beans. I pulled them last week and replanted fresh seed in a different location. Today I planted beets in their old spot. Very Happy 

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