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Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  jewlz2121 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:37 pm

I read in ANSFG Mel suggests using a soil innoculent for peas and beans.  Do you use?  Why or why not?  I grew beans this year for the first time without innoculent.  They seemed to do fine until the beetles got a hold of them.  I am planning on trying fall peas, so I was curious if I should try innoculent this time around.
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  camprn on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:13 pm

If it is a new bed, I suggest the inoculant. If you have successfully grown beans in the bed before you probably have the needed bacteria already in the bed and most likely you won't need inoculant.

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My Beans didn't do well

Post  colleenkgallagher on Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:07 pm

I learned this lesson too late. My beans did not turn out good at all. I am planning on planting a fall bean crop though so I will find this stuff to put on my garden.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  boffer on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:17 pm

jewlz2121 wrote:I read in ANSFG Mel suggests using a soil innoculent for peas and beans.  Do you use?  Why or why not?  I grew beans this year for the first time without innoculent.  They seemed to do fine until the beetles got a hold of them.  I am planning on trying fall peas, so I was curious if I should try innoculent this time around.

Here's some more info about inoculants.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t9960-inoculation-yea-or-nay

Last year, when we had this discussion, Plantoid (who lives in England) mentioned that he had never heard of inoculants in his many years of gardening.  He looked around, and couldn't find a source for them in Great Britain.  Apparently, Brits have been growing legumes for a long time without using inoculants.
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Post  camprn on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:19 pm

boffer wrote:
jewlz2121 wrote:I read in ANSFG Mel suggests using a soil innoculent for peas and beans.  Do you use?  Why or why not?  I grew beans this year for the first time without innoculent.  They seemed to do fine until the beetles got a hold of them.  I am planning on trying fall peas, so I was curious if I should try innoculent this time around.

Here's some more info about inoculants.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t9960-inoculation-yea-or-nay

Last year, when we had this discussion, Plantoid (who lives in England) mentioned that he had never heard of inoculants in his many years of gardening.  He looked around, and couldn't find a source for them in Great Britain.  Apparently, Brits have been growing legumes for a long time without using inoculants.
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  murarrie25 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:43 pm

When compost is produced in fast hot process and most of the bacteria is killed  do they have a process to introduce  good bacteria  back into the compost  before any nasty bacteria  take over   sale of pro biotic  fertilizer is a growing  .
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Post  boffer on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:48 pm

Compost teas, made from quality compost, would be one way to get the good bacteria going again in sterilized compost.
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  llama momma on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:21 am

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This 4x8 bed is 3 yrs old and the dragons tongue beans and KY bush beans were not inoculated.  They were planted in staggered squares. There is at least a dozen other things growing in the bed.  Hard to see it though.  Will not plant as many beans next time around.
 
 
 
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Rhizobia Innoculant

Post  colleenkgallagher on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:33 pm

I'm too stubborn to give up on the beans, so I ordered a Rhizobia Innoculant from Amazon and I will replant my beans when it gets here.

My Pepper plants did not produce either. Is this from the same problem. My tomatoes are coming on but the skins are busting. What's going on?

I'm a little frustrated but this is my first year to try this kind of gardening, so I realize I  have a lot to learn.study
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  sanderson on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:25 pm

Colleen, First year has a big learning curve,  This from another Newbie.Smile
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  llama momma on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:48 pm

colleenkgallagher wrote: My tomatoes are coming on but the skins are busting. What's going on?


I've heard one explanation that it can be caused by the skin growing slower than the insides.  Could it possibly be from excess rain or too much nurturing (watering on your part)?  Just throwing it out there for you to think about.  I'm still learning so much myself over the past 3 years. Everything I learn leads to new questions.
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Re: Rhizobia Innoculent for Peas and Beans?

Post  murarrie25 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:53 pm

If you look at a  guide for farmers to grow tomatoes Extra calcium as gypsum  before planting  3 to 6 ounces  per square yard  and extra calcium  in the flowering stage calcium is essential to prevent blossom end rot..
 Water seems to be important not letting dry out  or not over watering .Growing in a raised bed  is probably an advantage.
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Post  camprn on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:02 pm

murarrie25 wrote:If you look at a  guide for farmers to grow tomatoes Extra calcium as gypsum  before planting  3 to 6 ounces  per square yard  and extra calcium  in the flowering stage calcium is essential to prevent blossom end rot..
 Water seems to be important not letting dry out  or not over watering .Growing in a raised bed  is probably an advantage.
Although it is true that calcium and magnesium as well as a proper pH if essential for avoiding BER, amendments are typically not recommended  by Mel Bartholomew for the Square Foot Garden. Now if you are seeing symptoms of troubles, the gardener should act and amend per need.

Inconsistent watering is often another cause of BER and splitting tomato fruit. Peppers are similar to tomatoes in that they will develop bloom in optimal temperatures. Out of that range and the plant will not develop bloom and will abort bloom.

Inoculants are only going to help legume plants develop nodes that will fix nitrogen. It will not help pepper plants nor tomatoes.

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