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Post  mollyhespra on 8/11/2013, 8:54 pm

...because is sure doesn't look like what it was *supposed* to be: 'Early Prolific Yellow Straightneck', bought from a reputable merchant:



I went & picked it today because I was afraid of how big it was getting, but it still has some tinges of green on those funny ridges.  It almost looks like a cross between a yellow crookneck and the squash in this picture, as they have the same number of ridges on them:

[url=http://summertomato.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/summer-squash.jpg].  

Can anyone ID my mystery squash? Or did I get an "Ooops!" squash?

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Post  camprn on 8/11/2013, 9:01 pm

Ooooooooooh, those are cool. Did you send the seed company a photo? I have never seen anything quite like that.

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Post  camprn on 8/11/2013, 9:04 pm

Ooooooooooh, those are cool. Did you send the seed company a photo? I have never seen anything quite like that.

I did find a few things.
http://robin-ellis.net/tag/ridged-courgetteszucchini/

http://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/RHS-Publications/Journals/The-Garden/pdf/Ian-Hodgsons-courgette-table


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Post  Triciasgarden on 8/11/2013, 9:10 pm

Is there a chance that when it was growing it hit a hard spot and while it continued to grow it bent some.  I have had that happen to my zucchini squash.  It sure is beautiful!

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Post  camprn on 8/11/2013, 9:21 pm

It certainly looks like the plant is being prolific! Very Happy 

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Post  WriterCPA on 8/11/2013, 9:43 pm

Looks like crookneck squash to me.  Here are some examples.  The first ones are a bumpy skin version, but further in there are matches to your smooth skin. -- I'd definitely have a "chat" with your seed company.  Either something was switched or some unplanned cross breeding is taking place. Was this one of major seed companies?

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=chrf-ydwnld&va=crookneck+squash

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/11/2013, 9:54 pm

Thanks for the links, Camp.  I went through the PDF and didn't find anything that resembled my mystery plant.  The other link points to an article on bees.  Did you mean to post a different article or did I not scroll down far enough?

Triciasgarden, I thought they might "straighten out" also, but nothin'-doin'.  Here's another pic where you'll see that they come out crooked from the get-go:



WrtiterCPA, my squash is smooth except that it has ten ridges running along the blossom end up a litte towards the neck. If it's just a variation, that's fine, but I've never seen a yellow crookneck look like this.

Oh, and Camp: could you fix the link in my OP?  I've timed out & can't do it myself any more.  Thanks!

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Post  camprn on 8/11/2013, 10:15 pm

I fixed the link, It is about preparing an Italian ridged zucchini. I would be very interested to find out what the seed company has to say. Maybe its a soon to be premiered ridged crook neck..... or something. Have you cooked it yet?

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Post  GWN on 8/11/2013, 10:22 pm

I wonder if it might be a tromboncino. It is a varietal that I grew this year because of a suggestion Nonna made early in the year. Mine look the same as yours and it is a LONG zucchini with all of its seeds concentrated on one bulb at the end.
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Post  mollyhespra on 8/11/2013, 10:43 pm

That recipe sounds really yummy, Camp. I might try it tomorrow with this mystery squash & report back on the flavor. I just hope it doesn't end up being a freaky-yucky-hybrid. That's a lot of squash to waste.

GWN, the Tomboncino *does* seem to have a similar shape as mine, but no ridges and it's green whereas mine is a pale yellow. When I cut into it tomorrow, I'll be able to see if the seeds are clustered on one end or along the length. Also, my plant has a bush habit & from the quick reading I just did, your T. is listed as having a vining habit. Thanks for trying, though!

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Post  camprn on 8/11/2013, 11:03 pm

It's a crook neck of some sort. And hybrids aren't all bad.Wink  Looking forward the the review. I may want some of those seeds......

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/12/2013, 9:22 am

I'm going to try to get in touch with the merchant today.  I bought the seeds a couple of years ago & just hadn't gotten around to sowing them, so we'll see what they say.

I also just put in a call to a friend who got a seedling from me to see if his look the same as mine or if they look "normal".

If it is an accidental hybrid, it will likely take more than a generation to stabilize the traits, but I'll save some seed and we'll see what happens next year.

The original strain was supposed to be OP and I haven't been careful at all to isolate the flowers from cross-pollination since I didn't think it was an issue.  

I'll have to hand-pollinate some blossoms myself (with it's own male flowers I'd assume, since I only have the one plant), and take it from there.  Come to think of it, if my friend has similarly-shaped squash, maybe he can bring me a male flower from his, which would help (stabilize?) the gene base a little bit more.

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Post  GWN on 8/12/2013, 10:26 am

It's a crook neck of some sort. And hybrids aren't all bad. Looking forward the the review. I may want some of those seeds......
CAMP I thought that there was no point in saving hybrid seeds,....... as they do not grow true to the parent ???

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Post  camprn on 8/12/2013, 10:37 am

@GWN wrote:
It's a crook neck of some sort. And hybrids aren't all bad.  Looking forward the the review. I may want some of those seeds......
CAMP   I thought that there was no point in saving hybrid seeds,....... as they do not grow true to the parent ???
er, yes,but hybridizing plants is the way new varieties are developed. I'm sure you know this, but for the sake of conversation and others reading this post, GM and hybrid are not the same thing..... I LIKE those remarkable ridges.... if the squash is tasty, it could be the next big thing.... What a Face


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Post  GWN on 8/12/2013, 10:39 am

er,but if you grow a hybrid, and then save the seeds, my understanding is that you will get something very different from what you grew.

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Post  camprn on 8/12/2013, 10:42 am

@GWN wrote:er,but if you grow a hybrid, and then save the seeds, my understanding is that you will get something very different from what you grew.
I amended my previous post. Genetics can get very complicated. I really like the different LOOK to that squash, and if it can continue that would be great. Pollinating it with itself may continue that interesting feature in the fruit.

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/12/2013, 12:17 pm

OK, I heard from the merchant. Following is what I wrote:

"I'm writing you to try to figure out what I've got growing in my garden, as it doesn't look like what I bought from you. I'm not interested in a refund and I'm not contacting you to complain. Switches happen & that's just how it is. All I request is your help to ID this plant.

In late November, 2011 (transaction ID# xxxxxxxxxxxxx per paypal) I bought some 'Early Prolific Straightneck' (yellow) squash seed from you. I didn't have a chance until this Spring to grow out the seeds. I started two, but only needed one plant, so I gave the other to a friend. I'm waiting to see if his squash looks like mine or not.

At any rate, attached are some photos of what I've got. You'll notice it's a crookneck, very long, and with pronounced ridges (or spines?) on the blossom end. The color is a light yellow, but the ridges on the one I harvested are still a faint green. I only harvested it yesterday and have yet to try to cook it, so have no idea where the seeds are located or how it tastes.

I went on your website to see if maybe an inadvertent cross happened, but I only see where you're selling winter squash this year, and no longer carry this variety of summer squash.

Can you help shed some light on the mystery? Thanks in advance!"

And this is the reply that I got just now:

"Hi, Ilma. That's strange. It doesn't look like the same squash that I grew from that batch of seeds. I bought the seeds in bulk from a commercial supplier, and I grew some in my garden in order to describe and photograph them. The seeds that I grew were true to type, but they didn't look like your picture. So I don't know what to tell you. At any rate, the original seeds are long gone -- all sold out. None of my other customers have said anything about them not being true to type. So the only explanation I can think of is that you got an odd seed in your packet. I'm sorry I can't give you a better explanation than that. Regards, ---"

So there you have it. It's either a random mutation or an accidental cross. Either way, I think I have a new project on my hands: "Operation Save the Ridges". LOL! Who knew that my grade-school genetics report would lead to this? ..."Mendel was an Austrian monk who experimented with the rules of heredity..."

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Post  camprn on 8/12/2013, 12:21 pm

There you have it!It's all yours! The Molly Summer Squash. I'm in for some seed!

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/12/2013, 12:29 pm

@GWN wrote:er,but if you grow a hybrid, and then save the seeds, my understanding is that you will get something very different from what you grew.
Yes, you'll get offspring that look like one or another or a combination of their parents/grandparents/beyond.  

BUT, if you continue to pollinate plants that have the (new) desired trait with themselves, and ONLY themselves, you'll start to isolate the desired trait and a few (bunch?) of generations down the road, you have a new (stable, OP) variety.  You have to be careful, though, that you don't weaken the gene pool by inter-breeding too much.  That's why if my friend has a plant with squash like mine, I'd rather pollinate using his male flower than one of my own.  If his don't look like mine, then all I have to go by is my plant, so I'll likely save more than one squash in order to have plenty of seed to work with.

I am not a geneticist, so if someone can correct or elaborate on the above, please feel free to do so.


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Post  mollyhespra on 8/12/2013, 12:36 pm

@camprn wrote:There you have it!It's all yours! The Molly Summer Squash. I'm in for some seed!
LOL! If you're willing to take the chance on it, I'll send you some. Now I have to go out and select some proto-squash for the Great Experiment...

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Post  Triciasgarden on 8/12/2013, 12:41 pm

You will definitely have to keep us informed!  I like "The Molly Summer Squash"name!

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Post  GWN on 8/12/2013, 1:23 pm

This has been my year to work with heirlooms, and as such am learning a lot. I am growing Blue Jay beans, and read a very long and interesting story about how the originator found them... and then how they ended up ....... It all must be very exciting.
So do you have several fruits to be able to harvest seeds? My recollection is that you have to leave summer squash until they are the HUGE stage for the seeds.

This will be very interesting

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/12/2013, 3:51 pm

Good news & bad news:

First, the good news: I just heard back from the friend to whom I gave the other seedling and he says his squash "look just like" mine & that he'd send me a picture so that I can be sure. He lives about an hour away or I'd be over there checking it out myself. That means that I can use his male flowers to pollinate my female flowers which should help with the genetic rigor of the variety. I just have to isolate a few proto-squashes and time the pollination for when one of us can get a male flower to my place. This also gives me hope that there may be more "Molly" squash seeds lurking in the original batch.

Now the bad news: He's just found out today that he has a bad CA-MRSA infection in a cut on his leg and is in the middle of trying to understand what happens next for him. Needless to say, he has to get that under control first before he can even begin to play at being Mr. Bee.

Soooo, in the meantime, I'm going to go ahead and at least pollinate one flower from my own male pollen. First frost isn't that far away and I want to make sure that I get seed from at least one squash before then.

The saga continues...

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Post  donnainzone5 on 8/12/2013, 5:47 pm

Molly,

I hope your friend has a good-to-great doctor who can cure that infection!

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Post  sanderson on 8/12/2013, 8:44 pm

Molly,  MRSA can be really stubborn.  I wish the best for your friend and a smooth recovery.

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