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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  camprn on 8/4/2014, 8:41 pm

@audrey.jeanne.roberts wrote:You're right, they are: Squash Waltham Butternut

I was going off of memory and should KNOW BETTER, LOL!  Laughing
Hey! Maybe the orange/tan one on the back left is a type of hubbard I have never seen before.
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Post  sanderson on 8/4/2014, 9:44 pm

Losing or mixing up labels can be frustrating.  With the recent discussions on Trombocino, I thought Baker Creek made a packaging mistake. I was ready to harvest and cook it as a summer squash.  I went through my packets of seeds and found "Winter Squash Canada Crookneck."  Embarassed 

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/4/2014, 10:15 pm

Here is an image of the two ripe squashes isolated and turned around to the other side so you see all of the markings.  The orange isn't really this orange it's more of a peachy beige color:


Here is an immature squash still on the vine.  This one is just barely starting to turn color as you can see the tiny orange patch:

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Post  camprn on 8/4/2014, 10:17 pm

these are the ones you want to ID?

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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/4/2014, 10:19 pm

@sanderson wrote:Losing or mixing up labels can be frustrating.  With the recent discussions on Trombocino, I thought Baker Creek made a packaging mistake. I was ready to harvest and cook it as a summer squash.  I went through my packets of seeds and found "Winter Squash Canada Crookneck."  Embarassed 
This is the first year I've had so many seeds I can't keep them straight, LOL!  In the past it was easy, but with seed exchanges, multiple purchases and my family getting me some I'm just sort of lost.  

I keep reorganizing my seed organization but the first time I go look for something it's a mess again.   Rolling Eyes

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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/4/2014, 10:19 pm

@camprn wrote:these are the ones you want to ID?
Yes, we've figured out the rest  Very Happy  I've tried looking around on the web and so far haven't seen exactly the same or similar enough to ID them.

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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/5/2014, 2:14 pm

I'm leaning toward Hubbard Squash from what I'm seeing and reading.  

I have been through my seeds 3 times over and there's nothing I have that should look like this so I guess they're a happy accident.

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Post  GWN on 8/5/2014, 4:12 pm

Interesti that everyone elses seed are a mess too:)

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/5/2014, 10:36 pm

Want a laugh?!

Caleb Warnock - the man I bought a large part of my seeds from and who is an international seed preserving specialist. wrote me back. By teh way, he works with all sorts of national governments to grow and preserve heirloom seeds:

"I have no idea what that is. I've never seen anything like it."

That made me not feel so dumb. Nature is capable to fooling us all from time to time!
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Post  mollyhespra on 8/5/2014, 10:50 pm

TOO FUNNY!!!

So, are you up for some genetics experiments?  

Although I suppose it would be a good idea to try cooking one of those squashes first to see if it's any good before you decide to try to stabilize the variety.  I had a freaky volunteer squash pop out of my compost pile a few years ago that I had high hopes for (I think it was a dehybridization of a halloween pumpkin I had bought the previous year) but it's offspring turned out to be a yucky watery tasteless mess...so I tossed them all back in the compost pile and didn't bother with keeping any seeds.

  To the 'Audrey' Squash? The 'Dread Squash Roberts'? The...'Dreamy Jeanne' Squash?

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/5/2014, 11:52 pm

Oh my gosh, you made me laugh so hard. I'll have to read that to my hubby, he'll get a kick out of it!!!

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  CapeCoddess on 8/6/2014, 12:55 pm

No ribs on this 2nd gen Molly squash plant.
Sad
But there are 2 more 2nd gen plants that don't have fruit yet so there's still hope.

The control plants aren't doing much growing at all.  I think it's just been too cold.  I'll keep you updated.

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 8/6/2014, 1:10 pm

@CapeCoddess wrote:No ribs on this 2nd gen Molly squash plant.
Sad
But there are 2 more 2nd gen plants that don't have fruit yet so there's still hope.

The control plants aren't doing much growing at all.  I think it's just been too cold.  I'll keep you updated.

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I have exactly the same growing, they were volunteers from my compost pile - again like nothing I'd ever grown or bought.  They have been quite prolific.  If they're the same, they taste just like other zucchini.

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Re: Help ID this squash, please?

Post  mollyhespra on 8/6/2014, 8:58 pm

@CapeCoddess wrote:No ribs on this 2nd gen Molly squash plant.
Sad
But there are 2 more 2nd gen plants that don't have fruit yet so there's still hope.

The control plants aren't doing much growing at all.  I think it's just been too cold.  I'll keep you updated.

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That's too bad, but not altogether unexpected.  My 2nd mystery original seedstock plant has a girl flower now and she looks like a mini version of yours, so no ribs there (the ribs are noticeable from the time the proto-squash are about 1.5 inches long, so you'd know if you have ribs).

BUT, I've definitely got ribbed squash on "stumpy", so that's good for next year.  

I'll keep my fingers crossed for your & the others' squashes that haven't produced yet.  

And thanks to all of you for joining in this little experiment.  I just wish I knew more about genetics... 

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/6/2014, 9:26 pm

donnainzone10 wrote:Mine are growing like weeds, flowering, and there's one small squash so far.  

Unfortunately, I can't yet tell whether it will have ribs.  

Another squash I decided to try this year is Romanesco, which definitely has ribs. Could it be that your seed was a cross between yellow crookneck and this variety?


I'm sorry, Donna.  I forgot to reply to your post in trying to figure out what Audrey had growing.

I have no idea what got crossed with what to make those ribs, but my guess is that it was something like a cross between a yellow crookneck and a pattypan because of the way the ribs are concentrated on the blossom end and the long neck.  The texture is also very creamy, which reminds me of a pattypan.

I have some Costata Romanesca zukes in my garden.  I *likes* that variety.  They were my fav last year.  Quite yummy.  The Costata Romanesca zukes' ribs (more like flattened sides, though they can be ridgey) seem more evenly spaced, and they go all the way from one end to the other.  I'd also guess that the squash would have more green to it, too, though in all fairness that zuke is mighty creamy, so who knows?

I need to go read up on seed propagation...

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Post  CapeCoddess on 8/12/2014, 4:26 pm

Sorry, the 2nd Molly plant gen 2 appears to not have ribs.  Sad  Two more gen 2 plants to go...& 2 controls.

But the gen 2 squash from plant #1, left in photo, never yellowed up, like you mentioned earlier in this thread: 

Last summer I grew a patty pan called Peter Pan that was this color.  Since you were wondering if the Molly squash was a Yellow Straight Neck/ Patty Pan cross, maybe it was Peter. Laughing

Molly, can you post a photo of your latest gen 2 Molly squash please?  I'd love to see it.

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/13/2014, 9:35 pm

Shocked  Both of those squashes came from the batch of gen 2 seeds?  The one on the left looks more like a Lebanese White Bush Marrow squash that I had growing in the next bed away from where "Molly" was!

When I hand-pollinated Molly last year, I just took a male Molly squash flower and rubbed it all over a feshly opened female Molly squash flower.  I thought that once the pollen was on the flower that would be it, the reproduction factory would be closed as it were.  It looks as if some of the Lebanese squash's pollen might have gotten mixed up in there somehow.

&+@R*&%# RATS!!! It makes me wonder if all the gen 2 seeds I sent out are going to be a mish-mosh of Lord-Knows-What squashes. Embarassed I'm sorry, all.

What I should have done is covered up the girl AND boy flowers before they opened and again after I pollinated to prevent ANY cross-contamination but I didn't know what I was doing.  I thought that "open pollinated" meant that even if a random pollen got in that it wouldn't affect the offspring.  I guess that wasn't the case here.

Well, at least the good news is that "Stumpy" has ribbed squash and I can hand-pollinate correctly this time.  

CC, I'll take a picture this weekend & post it here, but I don't have any gen 2 plants at all, only "controls" (original seedstock). And each one's growth habit and fruit are different: Stumpy looks like its squash are more of a straightneck shape with ribs on a stumpy little bush, the middle one is acting like it wants to be a vine with very few crookneck squashes while the third one is just a plain old "Prolific Yellow Straightneck" bush type. And all of these came from the original seedstock. I can't make sense of it.

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Post  sanderson on 8/14/2014, 1:25 am

a Straight Stumpy Molly Peter Patty Pan squash? SSMPPP?

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Post  camprn on 8/14/2014, 8:20 am

 darn funny 
@sanderson wrote:a  Straight Stumpy Molly Peter Patty Pan squash?  SSMPPP?
 darn funny Shocked 

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Post  CapeCoddess on 8/14/2014, 11:25 am

@sanderson wrote:a  Straight Stumpy Molly Peter Patty Pan squash?  SSMPPP?
 rofl   OH have mercy...my eyes are tearing up from laffing.

Molly, the yellow crook neck on the right in my photo isn't one of your.  It's mine on the other side of the house so they won't cross.    Yours are in the asparagus garden with the Waltham Butternut and the spaghetti.  Those won't cross, right?

So my green one is a Lebanese White Bush Marrow?  Never heard of it but I like it very much.  Here's the plant:
Looks like any other summer squash to me except it's kinda ginormous.  What a Face 

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/14/2014, 11:46 am

CC, I have no idea if they'll cross or not.  I *thought* that the 'Molly' ribs were a random mutation or a dehybridization from an unknown pair of (possibly) F1 parents, so I didn't bother to isolate the flowers thinking that "open pollinated" (which is what I originally bought) meant just that: that the variety was so stable it could tolerate a little pollen promiscuity.

I can see the error in my thinking now: a variety can't both be OP and a recent mutation/dehybridization...so it follows that your green whatever-it-is might cross with those other squashes.  

Did you look at the Lebanese squash pics?  Does that look like what you have?  I'm certain that the seeds I sent out all came from the long-necked, ribbed, yellow 'Molly' squash that I saved last year.   If anyone else gets green squash from the gen 2 seeds, I'm guessing that some foreign pollen got in there.

OY.  This is getting complicated.

ETA: Although, come to think of it, you're right: the original funny-looking squash I posted about was green-tinged. It wasn't all green like the one in your pic, but it definitely had a pale green tinge. Maybe it's just showing one of the traits of some parent or other. The Lebanese squash I grew out last year wasn't very tasty. I didn't grow it again because of that. The plant did tend to grow tall, though. See how yours tastes & let us know.

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Post  CapeCoddess on 8/14/2014, 12:26 pm

The green squash was big enough to use raw in my weekly lettuce box, in my smoothie this morning and in my steamed veggies last nite.  It's a nice squash, very mild as summer squashes can be, but not mushy when slightly cooked and therefore easy to work with.  I looked it up online and those in the photos seem to be cylinder/zucchini shaped whereas mine is more summer squash shaped, with a fat bottom...hmm, just like me. Embarassed  So I guess it's a straight neck/ Lebonese cross.  I also read online that they are good for spiraling and using in place of pasta.  I happen to have an apple spriraler/peeler/corer thing that would be ideal for trying that. Can't wait for the next one so I can try it.

If it keeps going I may save seeds, too.  Oh...wait a minute...were there even any seeds in it???  Shocked  I'll have to check that.

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Post  donnainzone5 on 8/14/2014, 2:46 pm

My new Avatar is a picture of one of those Molly Mystery squashes.  Unfortunately, no ribs!

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Post  Marc Iverson on 8/14/2014, 4:01 pm

@mollyhespra wrote:CC, I have no idea if they'll cross or not.  I *thought* that the 'Molly' ribs were a random mutation or a dehybridization from an unknown pair of (possibly) F1 parents, so I didn't bother to isolate the flowers thinking that "open pollinated" (which is what I originally bought) meant just that: that the variety was so stable it could tolerate a little pollen promiscuity.

I can see the error in my thinking now: a variety can't both be OP and a recent mutation/dehybridization...so it follows that your green whatever-it-is might cross with those other squashes.  

It can be if its genes are dominant, by my understanding. Mutations can have dominant genes.

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Post  mollyhespra on 8/14/2014, 9:27 pm

OK, so here are some pics of the three original seedstock plants that I have growing.

First: "Stumpy" with it's first few ridged squashlings:



And a close-up that I was able to take about a week ago, I think.  Bear in mind that at this point the squashlings were teeny tiny.



Currently, the squashes on "Stumpy" appear to be maturing into a straight-neck shape with much less pronounced ridges than they seemed to promise at the proto-squash stage:


 
Next, the tall, lanky, vine-like neighbor with only one female squash to speak of, and she's looking like a crookneck but with no ridges:



And finally, the one plant that is true to what I originally ordered: my bushy and well named 'Prolific Yellow Straightneck':



I'd already harvested about 8 good-sized squash from that plant when this pic was taken today.

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