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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/12/2014, 7:26 pm

AtlantaMarie wrote:Dstack, I'm not sure what you would grow would be much different from what I would grow up here in 7b/8a.

My hubby & I are "preppers."  (I hate that word!  We are prepared for whatever comes down the road.)  We teach classes on small space gardening, dehydrating & canning food, how to decide if you should run or not and what you should have with you, alternative energy sources, etc.

Unless you like hunting & have a sufficiency of ammo, you'll need protein.  That means beans & peas.  And grain to round out the amino acids.  There are rice types that don't need flooding.  And Baker Creek has all sorts of grains.  Grains are needed for bread too.

You'll need nuts, olives, coconuts for oil.  (You'll have a better chance growing the olives & coconuts than we will.  Although HD DID have myers lemon, key lime & olive trees for sale in my area this year.)  Also, lemon/lime/orange/whatever for Vit C/scurvy.

You might also think about medicinal herbs - toothache plant, digitalis (iffy...), mullein, soapwort, etc.

Your advantage is that you have such a longer grow period than we do!

I'd concentrate on heirlooms so that you can save seeds as H_TX suggested. 

I'd also look at building a solar dehydrator.  Dehydrated foods take up a lot less space than canned.  You might also look at buying or building a solar oven.  There are plans on the net if you want to build your own.

And if you've never had dehydrated watermelon or cantaloupe, you're missing a treat!

One word on strong smelling dehydrated items such as garlic/onions:  Keep them in jars vs. seal-a-mealing them.  The smell will migrate thru the plastic!  And it doesn't take long...!

Hope this helps.


Sanderson suggested that I start a thread on Emergency Preparation Gardening since that's what my husband & I are doing.  That way we're not hijacking a regional topic or anything. 


Thank you for the suggestion, Sanderson!


As stated above, we do classes in these areas.  I will be happy to help you in any way I can in getting ready for emergencies.  If you've got a question, chances are good another dozen people are wondering the same thing!  And I don't mind if it's not about gardening, canning, or dehydrating, although I think that should be the main topic on this thread...


If you are a preparer, please speak up.  We could use your insight & advice too.  Heaven knows, I don't have all the answers!


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Post  GloriaG on 5/12/2014, 7:56 pm

Good thread!  Thank you for starting it.

Can you provide a little basic info like a link to some good websites or lists.  Something for people just starting.

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Post  shegardens on 5/12/2014, 9:16 pm

Hi Gloria,

I found this site on a post on this forum, though I can't remember who posted it, when or where (thank you to whoever it was!!!)
http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/homegardening/sceneb771.html

It's helped me plan which specific varieties to pick, and then some...
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Post  GloriaG on 5/12/2014, 10:25 pm

Thank you shegardens,

I appreciate the link and I will take a close look.  The universities seem to have quite a lot of good local gardening information. 

I just re-read my prior post and realized that I wasn't very clear because I was hoping for some links related to gardening for emergency preparation (prepping).

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Post  shegardens on 5/12/2014, 10:46 pm

Hi Gloria,

Yes, I see it now....
oh well, but as far general planting it's a good site,
hopefully others will chime in with some EPG links for you!
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/13/2014, 8:36 am

Seeds:

I have found My Patriot Supply to be a good source of info on various seeds they sell.

http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/

Baker Creek & Seed Savers Exchange are both good sources of info as well.

http://www.rareseeds.com/about/

http://www.seedsavers.org/

I do get good info from the Extension Service websites of various states.  I use it to look at pH needs, water, feeder types, etc.  (I like as much detail as possible.)

I made an Excel spreadsheet for each of my seeds and what spot they're in, how many per spot, how many SHOULD be per spot, the info I find in Mel's books, info I find out on the internet or from the seed companies I buy from, etc.  If anyone wants a copy, send me a pm with your email address.

I have to warn you:  It's very detailed due to my OCD... lol!
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/13/2014, 8:52 am

plantoid wrote:I think I'd do some sensible research before hand and see what weeds grow profusely locally that are edible as foliage , seeds & roots for me and my stock . Then I'd go for beans & peas & other pulses as they contain all manner of protein nutrients & trace elements as these can be easily dry stored

I might go for maize and sunflowers giving the other corns a miss unless they are naturally sown for the maize sunflower stalks  make for fodder that is easy to store & not so difficult to harvest .
& again the dried seeds full of goodness are easy to store & move around.

Reasoning behind the statement .
It has taken the weeds thousands of years to successfully grow there year on year without mankind's interference & not be consumed by voracious insects or suffer from end of plant life diseases .
 So why waste survival time growing what nature consistently supplies for free.


I guess I could get used to eating boiled nettles, wild carrots , wild celery , fir tree tips etc. etc. so long as I could get fish or meat at least once a week .

Plantoid has a great idea on that! 

There was a father/son team who wrote a series back in the 70's on harvesting stuff from the wild.  I'll see if I can find a title...
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Post  boffer on 5/13/2014, 9:26 am

We would be remiss not to mention Mr. Grapenuts himself!  

Euell Gibbons, author of

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Post  camprn on 5/13/2014, 10:39 am

boffer wrote:We would be remiss not to mention Mr. Grapenuts himself!  

Euell Gibbons, author of

Stalking The Wild Asparagus
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Post  quiltbea on 5/13/2014, 11:37 am

I've watched some prepper youtubes and marvel at the hard work everyone is doing.  If I were younger (like the cold war and bomb shelters which we had) I'd worry more.  For me, I've packed up a dozen (so far) banana boxes with all sorts of canned goods to help thru food shortages only and bottles and bottles of water with filters packed away for clean water.  At my age, I don't expect to last many more years on this world so if I can store a bit for the family, that's good enuf for me.

My SFG garden is for current meals and a bit of freezing and I'm content.
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Post  walshevak on 5/13/2014, 11:51 am

+1  At my age I expect the best I can do is try to get my kids into the garden.  2 out of  3 are pretty good at it and the oldest has SFG beds to keep trying.  He does pretty good with tomatoes and super hot peppers.

None of the grandkids are interested.  

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Post  yolos on 5/13/2014, 9:58 pm

quiltbea wrote:I've watched some prepper youtubes and marvel at the hard work everyone is doing.  If I were younger (like the cold war and bomb shelters which we had) I'd worry more.  For me, I've packed up a dozen (so far) banana boxes with all sorts of canned goods to help thru food shortages only and bottles and bottles of water with filters packed away for clean water.  At my age, I don't expect to last many more years on this world so if I can store a bit for the family, that's good enuf for me.

Add toilet paper to your boxes.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/14/2014, 8:08 am

+1, Yolos!
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Post  plantoid on 5/14/2014, 6:38 pm

yolos wrote:
quiltbea wrote:I've watched some prepper youtubes and marvel at the hard work everyone is doing.  If I were younger (like the cold war and bomb shelters which we had) I'd worry more.  For me, I've packed up a dozen (so far) banana boxes with all sorts of canned goods to help thru food shortages only and bottles and bottles of water with filters packed away for clean water.  At my age, I don't expect to last many more years on this world so if I can store a bit for the family, that's good enuf for me.

Add toilet paper to your boxes.

 Toilet paper ....  Why ? A medium egg shaped smooth non porous stone is all that needed and it's a multi use tool .
You can use it to crush seeds , as an attack or defence weapon , to stun/ despatch  prey with as well as the other job .  It's easy to clean with sterile straight from the source urine.

 Think "  Innuit " almost all of their equipment has at least three uses ,   they survive in one  of the most harsh environments on earth.
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Post  boffer on 5/14/2014, 6:54 pm

plantoid wrote:... Toilet paper ....  Why ? A medium egg shaped smooth non porous stone is all that needed...

That's a new one for me. Thanks.   

(But I don't think I'll test the idea unless I'm forced to!)
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Post  Windmere on 5/14/2014, 7:34 pm

boffer wrote:
plantoid wrote:... Toilet paper ....  Why ? A medium egg shaped smooth non porous stone is all that needed...

That's a new one for me. Thanks.   

(But I don't think I'll test the idea unless I'm forced to!)
Thanks plantoid... I'm not sure I will not include toilet paper... but when that runs out....
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Post  sanderson on 5/14/2014, 9:34 pm

I will never again look at an egg the same.  Very Happy 
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Post  mollyhespra on 5/14/2014, 9:41 pm

How about dried corn cobs, Plantoid? 

When I lived in Paraguay for a year as a teenager and was visiting relatives who lived "off the grid" by necessity (having no running water or electricity available), I asked my mother what all the dried corn cobs scattered all around the outhouse were for.  She told me not to touch them and to use the toilet paper we'd brought with us because that is what the locals used to wipe their anus after defecating.
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Post  yolos on 5/14/2014, 10:02 pm

sanderson wrote:I will never again look at an egg the same.  Very Happy 
Did you interpret that he was talking about an egg instead of toilet paper.  I thought he was talking about an egg until I reread it a few times.  I couldn't figure out how you could wipe your arse with an egg and then wash it.  He said an Egg Shaped smooth non porous STONE.
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Post  llama momma on 5/14/2014, 10:25 pm

I really have to stop reading these posts from the bottom of the page and going up, yolos, that was a doozy, funny stuff ladies and gentlemen.
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Post  sanderson on 5/14/2014, 10:27 pm

Yolos, Yes, I know "egg shape" was what Plantoid meant. Like a darning egg. But an egg is, well, egg shaped!  Very Happy 

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Post  Marc Iverson on 5/15/2014, 12:47 am

plantoid wrote:
yolos wrote:
quiltbea wrote:I've watched some prepper youtubes and marvel at the hard work everyone is doing.  If I were younger (like the cold war and bomb shelters which we had) I'd worry more.  For me, I've packed up a dozen (so far) banana boxes with all sorts of canned goods to help thru food shortages only and bottles and bottles of water with filters packed away for clean water.  At my age, I don't expect to last many more years on this world so if I can store a bit for the family, that's good enuf for me.

Add toilet paper to your boxes.

 Toilet paper ....  Why ? A medium egg shaped smooth non porous stone is all that needed and it's a multi use tool .
You can use it to crush seeds , as an attack or defence weapon , to stun/ despatch  prey with as well as the other job .  It's easy to clean with sterile straight from the source urine.

I think I would need at least a dozen stones, maybe two dozen on a bad day.

And I wouldn't want them anywhere near my food when I was done with them.

If we can't be civilized about the apocalypse, then I don't want to have one at all.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/15/2014, 8:30 am

+1, Marc!  I just don't think I could do that...  Now, leaves... maybe...  LARGE ones... if I HAD to.

Plantoid's sterile urine isn't such a bad thought as long as you're disease- & medicine-free.  But how many of us are in that wonderful situation?  Not me!
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Post  camprn on 5/15/2014, 8:35 am

hmmm... I thought this thread was about gardening.

In my mind as a gardener I am always looking ahead and planning for the future lean times. I am not sure what the definition of 'Emergency' is in the thread title.

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 5/15/2014, 9:19 am

Camp, I agree about the planning & looking ahead.  I'm the same way.

Unfortunately, I've found many folks don't think about it.  They're busy with other things that are more important, don't expect it will happen to them, whatever...  I've even met some who still expect the "powers that be" will take care of them, even though finances are stretched thin.

So for me, in this thread, "emergency" means a sudden widespread catastrophe.  Others may have other definitions.  And I would be interested to know what they are.

What kind of catastrophe could that be?  Hurricane, snow, landslide that cuts your road off in a rural area.

If the trucks couldn't reach your grocery store for 3 weeks, would you be able to feed your family?  How about helping some of the neighbors who aren't prepared?  Or what if you couldn't leave your house due to a widespread disease outbreak?


My goal is to have enough food dehydrated & canned that my family could eat without restriction for a couple of years if we had to.  A little extreme, I admit...  But if we need to help some of the neighbors, we'd go thru it pretty quickly.

Of course, those supplies need to be protected.  And some things can't be helped.  A tornado that tears your house apart will certainly scatter that food for miles.  The jars would break.  But dehydrated items in seal-a-meal packages might help someone else who might starve otherwise.

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