Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by sanderson Today at 16:29

» Does MM improve with age?
by sanderson Today at 16:27

» Gardening in Central Pennsylvania, 3rd year SFG
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 16:19

» to mulch or not to mulch
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 15:42

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by brianj555 Today at 15:38

» Today's Harvest
by brianj555 Today at 15:34

» Helpful Beetles
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 15:31

» Carrot Week 2017!
by BeetlesPerSqFt Today at 15:16

» Garlic Growing Lovers
by SQWIB Today at 14:31

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by plantoid Today at 13:10

» Newbie from Ayrshire, West Coast of Scotland
by plantoid Today at 13:02

» My Compost Bin
by SQWIB Today at 10:03

» Butterfly Junction
by countrynaturals Today at 10:00

» Gardening & Homesteading Skills Summit REGISTER NOW!
by countrynaturals Today at 8:23

» How much room for Tromboncino zucchini?
by countrynaturals Today at 8:08

» Hello from Gilbert, AZ
by sanderson Today at 7:37

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by trolleydriver Today at 7:20

» Thumbs Up????
by sanderson Today at 7:03

» A great offer for a local SFG,er
by sanderson Today at 7:01

» More Bad News for Bugs
by SQWIB Today at 6:57

» What weed? is this? (with pic)
by sanderson Yesterday at 23:57

» Senseless Banter...
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 17:26

» Lower south Oct 2017
by brianj555 Tue 17 Oct 2017 - 14:02

» Sowing Experiment! Anyone Tried This?
by brianj555 Tue 17 Oct 2017 - 13:50

» BOOK GIVEAWAY - ENDS 10/20/17
by CapeCoddess Tue 17 Oct 2017 - 12:48

» Turan in the Western Mountains
by countrynaturals Tue 17 Oct 2017 - 12:37

» new greenhouse got drafted
by Scorpio Rising Mon 16 Oct 2017 - 17:08

» Monarch Supporter
by Scorpio Rising Mon 16 Oct 2017 - 16:55

» New England October 2017
by countrynaturals Mon 16 Oct 2017 - 10:09

» October Avatar: Don't Fence Me In
by trolleydriver Mon 16 Oct 2017 - 8:45

Google

Search SFG Forum

Table toppers - support questions

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Table toppers - support questions

Post  Judy McConnell on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 9:24

1) Twelve (or so) years ago, I built 6 - 4' x 8' raised beds from standard pine boards.
Of course by now, they are rotting out.

2) In those years our trees and the adjoining neighbors trees have grown and are shading two of the beds, so these beds only get about 6 hrs of direct sunlight.

3) This spring I purchased HD table tops (2' x 4') and LOVE them, after raising them to 36" tall.

Having read everything you all have posted about table tops, my questions are:
1) do you find unmortared cinderblocks sturdy enough to support the tts?
2) or were you able to find a metalworker who constructed supports for tts?

My thoughts center around making 3' x 8' tops of wood, with planting space 8" deep.
avatar
Judy McConnell

Female Posts : 401
Join date : 2012-05-08
Age : 77
Location : Manassas, VA(7a) and Riner, VA (7a)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  boffer on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 9:33

Have you seen this thread for TT ideas?

1. Kay (walshevak) and others  have their  TTs on cinder blocks.

2. I build my own steel tables, and don't recall anyone hiring out that task.
avatar
boffer

Male Posts : 7392
Join date : 2010-02-26
Age : 64
Location : yelm, wa, usa

View user profile http://boffer.us/

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  Judy McConnell on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 10:35

Yes, Boffer - I reviewed the stickie before posting this - thank you so much for taking the time to write it in the first place.
avatar
Judy McConnell

Female Posts : 401
Join date : 2012-05-08
Age : 77
Location : Manassas, VA(7a) and Riner, VA (7a)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  rabbithutch on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 13:44

Judy, how thick were the boards you used?  Boards of nominal 1" thickness are actually only three-quarters of an inch thick.

I built 4 TTs this year and used 2-by materials throughout.  The sides are single 2x8s high (but I will probably add a row of 2x4s)  which allows me to put about 7" of MM in them (and about 10-1/2" with the additional row).  The legs and bracing and supports are all 2x4s.  I did not use treated lumber but I did paint the insides faces with raw linseed oil - not the boiled kind but the raw kind that old-time painters used - and allowed them to dry thoroughly.  I then painted all the outside surfaces and painted the inside surfaces on 2 of them to see if it makes any difference in how long they last.  (At my age, I might not find out.)

As for resting on blocks, yes I think you can safely do that if you use 2-by lumber unless you make some really long ones.  Up to 8' in length will be no problem.  Over that and you will need to add cross bracing underneath to keep them from racking.  With the added bracing, you will be ok up to about 16', I should think.

My TTs are on legs made of 2 2x4x laminated together with glue and screws.  One piece is shorted than the other by about 6" so that the sides of the bed rest on the legs which are then bolted to the ends of the beds.

Hope this helps.
avatar
rabbithutch

Male Posts : 293
Join date : 2014-02-08
Location : central TX USA Zone 8a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  Judy McConnell on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 15:05

Rabbithutch  - thanks for your response and I did see the pics of your beds - they are GREAT!

- I used 2" x 8" for the original boxes (on ground) and will do the same for the table tops.

The tts that I bought this spring are 1 bys and they probably won't last as long as the original in ground units.
avatar
Judy McConnell

Female Posts : 401
Join date : 2012-05-08
Age : 77
Location : Manassas, VA(7a) and Riner, VA (7a)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  jimmy cee on Mon 9 Jun 2014 - 20:04

For me
For anything needing support above the ground I'll use 4x4 treated lumber.
It's cheap, easy to work and once supported correctly anything erected on it will not come down.
avatar
jimmy cee

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 1923
Join date : 2013-02-16
Age : 81
Location : Indiana PA....zone 5

View user profile http://www.jcjigs.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  lzalvis on Sat 28 Jun 2014 - 19:58

Huh.  The bottom of mine consist of cedar boards spaced to leave 1/2" or so in between each board.  I then placed them up on 2 plastic sawhorses (from HD) that run perpendicular to the cedar boards.  

This is the first season, so far they're fine.  Was this wrong?  I've never seen anyone mention this as a solution, we just came up with it.  ....

lzalvis

Posts : 47
Join date : 2011-06-26
Location : zone 7, Atlanta, GA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  jimmy cee on Sun 29 Jun 2014 - 6:31

try adding an image
avatar
jimmy cee

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 1923
Join date : 2013-02-16
Age : 81
Location : Indiana PA....zone 5

View user profile http://www.jcjigs.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  walshevak on Sun 29 Jun 2014 - 14:57

lzalvis wrote:Huh.  The bottom of mine consist of cedar boards spaced to leave 1/2" or so in between each board.  I then placed them up on 2 plastic sawhorses (from HD) that run perpendicular to the cedar boards.  

This is the first season, so far they're fine.  Was this wrong?  I've never seen anyone mention this as a solution, we just came up with it.  ....
If it don't fall down it's A OK

____________________________

A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
Find more about Weather in Elizabeth City, NC
Click for weather forecast
avatar
walshevak

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4360
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 74
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  lzalvis on Sun 29 Jun 2014 - 18:41

I"m not sure if JImmy Cee was referring to me, but I'm posting images anyway!  My previous SFGs were on the ground, but it hurt my back too much.  SO, on page 183 of my book, there's a picture of a person in a wheelchair and their garden looks to be up on sawhorses.  That's where I got this idea.  I lined them with chicken wire and then weed guard (2 layers, one running in each direction so there's overlap all around - I was a little paranoid about losing precious MM  Smile ).

so far, so good!  




lzalvis

Posts : 47
Join date : 2011-06-26
Location : zone 7, Atlanta, GA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  jimmy cee on Mon 30 Jun 2014 - 6:56

lzalvis wrote:I"m not sure if JImmy Cee was referring to me, but I'm posting images anyway!  My previous SFGs were on the ground, but it hurt my back too much.  SO, on page 183 of my book, there's a picture of a person in a wheelchair and their garden looks to be up on sawhorses.  That's where I got this idea.  I lined them with chicken wire and then weed guard (2 layers, one running in each direction so there's overlap all around - I was a little paranoid about losing precious MM  Smile ).

so far, so good!  



Yes I was.
Your stands look secure enough, however I tend to be quite over cautious when it comes to structures be it in my garden, house or any where else...
In my many years working in a power plant I have come across some very poor methods of getting people to where work is needed.
Maybe you want to consider anchoring the horses to the ground, then the beds to the horses..you have lots of weight up in the air with no apparent connection to the ground..
Please remember this is my opinion and not necessarily the way to go.
12 years ago when I erected my beds I piled drived (sledgehammer) 8 foot 3/8th inch angle irons 4 foot into the ground. very happy I did this as I am using these for everything I'm adding...excessive ???....yep...but thats me and it drives my wife crazy....LOL
You should see what I go through to hang up a picture on a wall... Laughing
avatar
jimmy cee

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 1923
Join date : 2013-02-16
Age : 81
Location : Indiana PA....zone 5

View user profile http://www.jcjigs.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  llama momma on Mon 30 Jun 2014 - 7:59

I like Jimmycee's advice for your box.
Here is my story. One of my 4 by 4 ft. beds is a table top.  The outer perimeter of the box has 4 solid walls of cinder blocks that are stacked 4 blocks tall plus a tower of cinder blocks in the center for more support.
Would you believe come spring time the winter winds shifted the entire box a couple of inches?
Granted this past winter was a doozy, but still I never thought the 8 inch deep table top would move, and it was made from almost 2 inch thick wood.
avatar
llama momma

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4855
Join date : 2010-08-20
Location : Central Ohio zone 6a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  sanderson on Mon 30 Jun 2014 - 10:45

jimmy cee wrote:
You should see what I go through to hang up a picture on a wall... Laughing
 lol! 
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14770
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  ralitaco on Sat 13 Sep 2014 - 17:28

rabbithutch wrote:My TTs are on legs made of 2 2x4x laminated together with glue and screws.  One piece is shorted than the other by about 6" so that the sides of the bed rest on the legs which are then bolted to the ends of the beds.

RH,
I like that idea...ALOT.
I was just messing with some 4x4's, I think they will be the best for my 4'x4'
I have plans to do a 2x8 and think I will use your method but with 2x6's two feet from each end and either 2x6 or 2x4 on the ends, if needed.

any particular glue?
how many screws?
any kind of dadoes?
avatar
ralitaco

Male Posts : 1043
Join date : 2010-04-04
Location : Hampstead, NC

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  sanderson on Sat 13 Sep 2014 - 18:24

Rabbithutch has not been online for a while.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14770
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  ralitaco on Sat 13 Sep 2014 - 18:52

Thx...I will go with some Liquid Nail and 2.5" deck screws.
avatar
ralitaco

Male Posts : 1043
Join date : 2010-04-04
Location : Hampstead, NC

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  sanderson on Sat 13 Sep 2014 - 22:37


____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14770
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  ralitaco on Sun 14 Sep 2014 - 6:18

Sanderson, 
thanks for the pictures. I really like your designs. I noticed the change in design with the short side overlapping the post now. I see that gives you lots of room for screwing the short side and plenty of room for bolts on the long sides. The older method had the butted end concealed and I like that too.

I am planning on extending my posts above the box to use for a trellis, so I am going to try laminating some 2x's together for support legs under the box. (1 @ 30", 1 @ 6-7'). Once I start building them, I will post pictures
avatar
ralitaco

Male Posts : 1043
Join date : 2010-04-04
Location : Hampstead, NC

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Table toppers - support questions

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum