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Post  TCgardening on 7/1/2015, 9:41 pm

This is pretty scary! Grazon is poisoning compost soil for the gardens. 
David the Good isn't a squarefoot gardener but does make a living as a nurseryman - author.  

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 7/1/2015, 10:00 pm

@TCgardening wrote: flower This is pretty scary! Grazon is poisoning compost soil for the gardens. 
David the Good isn't a squarefoot gardener but does make a living as a nurseryman - author.  

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Jeez, this is REALLY scary!  Never heard of it!  Where I Am, RoundUp Ready crops are very controversial.  Not good for anything or anybody but the farmers bottom line.  But this is farm country....

That is why I planted 11 milkweeds, Asclepias incarnata and syriaca....trying to help.  Lost 2 BIG butterfly bushes winter before last, replanted 1 due to loosestrife getting bigger.
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Post  mollyhespra on 7/1/2015, 10:30 pm

Yes, it is a very scary thing indeed, and what's worse is that it's been going on for a long time.  Here's a link to an earlier thread with more info: http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t7181-aminopyralid-in-manure#64779
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Post  sanderson on 7/3/2015, 3:35 am

This topic, plus this one, http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t7181-aminopyralid-in-manure#64779 ,   have me thinking that I may have introduced one of these or a similar product, into my composts.  Was it the horse manure from Fresno State?  The horse manure from a riding stable?  The alfalfa hay?  The wheat bedding straw?

The tomatoes are producing but the leaves are getting smaller and all are curled.  I think I will start the "pea test" tomorrow to see which of my composts may be affected.

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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/3/2015, 4:06 am

I frequently have problems with leaf curling; this topic makes me very nervous.
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Post  sanderson on 7/3/2015, 4:14 am

I was going to merge this topic with the one Molly posted, thinking that they both dealt with the same ingredient. But, the active ingredients are different. Only the tomatoes are really affected. But, then, maybe my smallish bell peppers are another symptom. ??

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Post  mollyhespra on 7/3/2015, 8:50 am

What are the other active ingredients? We should all know if they're equally culpable.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 7/3/2015, 5:34 pm

Or brand names?  What do I need to be on the lookout for if my farmers are feeding their animals?
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Post  TCgardening on 7/3/2015, 6:20 pm

It looks like the two posts are related. "Grazon or other Aminopyralid-containing" So they are really one in the same. I also recall a different Mother Earth News article on Imprelis. This article discussed the product killing trees that were mulched with product contaminated with Imprelis. I didn't put that into gardening context, what a disaster this could be to the back yard gardener.
I can't imagine the effort involved in removing all the contaminated soil in my beds. It was hard enough setting everything up.
 So my thoughts of getting a load of local manure compost are out the window! Hope Black Cow keeps up the good work.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 7/3/2015, 6:31 pm

Pronounced "graze-on" I assume?  So the farmers spray it on the fields?  Good info.  How can this evil stuff make it through the animal and still screw with the plants?  Wow again:evil:
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Post  plantoid on 7/6/2015, 9:31 am

It's not just Grazon either  .
 
If you read the destruction's on a bottle of weed & feed  lawn treatment it usually specifically says do not graze animals on it or use the cuttings made over the next five months as compost material . They also often say that if you use the 6 months later cut cuttings you must not use the new compost you make for at least two years .

 That's why I've often gone banging on about the in appropriateness of local authority collected and made so called compost .. you never known what someone has chucked over the materials being composted. The same applies to alot of private commercial interest who contract to local authorities etc for ground clearance or grass cutting contracts where they don't own the land .

Fortunately some of the more responsible commercial compost producers do  many different chemical presence testings and also do several different crop growth tests on their products but you will pay a premium for their high quality products. 

 Doing the pea test on every single bag of commercially made compost you buy after you have actually disturbed it and remixed it a couple of times is the only way to prove that the bags are not contaminated .
 If you soak the peas in clean tap water for 24 hours the peas will only take four or five days  to emerge or not as the case maybe.

If you also make an infusion ( steep a pound in three pints of clean water for the 24 hours giving it several stirrings in that time ) of the compost  you'll bring out any negative chemicals.


So soaking the peas in that solution for the 24 hr period   & then watering the test experiment peas with that liquid  is a very helpful exercise as well . At least it rules out a lot of negatives if they germinate .
 Obviously you need to make sure you also have viable seeds as well , not 10 year old stuff purchased at a garage sale.
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Post  plantoid on 7/6/2015, 9:56 am

@Scorpio Rising wrote:Pronounced "graze-on" I assume?  So the farmers spray it on the fields?  Good info.  How can this evil stuff make it through the animal and still screw with the plants?  Wow again:evil:
It's not so much evil as very effective in what it was designed for .
 ie. To kill all manner of unwanted plants in grazing land that may not only be harmful to the animals . Also to kill off the lower cattle feed energy plants & those that will also take up valuable nutrients and water from the land .
 Without such chemical controls think of adding a slack hand full of dollars to your weekly shopping bill .

The residual chemical effect of it still being a viable weed killer was I understand not envisaged . Though it does have financial advantages for the farmers & in the end for the consumers of the products off the fields . For it means that they only need one crop spraying that lasts for several years thus saving them the costs of more chemicals , oils , fuel and machinery to apply  it .

The problem lies with the stupidity of people who totally ignore the safety precautions  which are clearly printed on the containers & have been for well over 20 years ( first time I used Grazon )

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 Those who innocently unknowingly use materials from contaminated land because no one bothered to keep records of what they did , where they did it & tell others .
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