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Post  iscott123 on 7/27/2015, 4:58 pm

Hmmm. I get a feeling that my composting is quite different than your method. I think I need to learn about that as well!

@sanderson wrote:Many of us have bags of frozen peelings/trimmings in our freezer.  Some are even labeled worm food for the worm tubes and worm Hiltons. Wink
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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/27/2015, 4:59 pm

@iscott123 wrote:That sounds pretty easy to do! I now have a tall container that is too narrow to peel over without loosing about 3/4 of the intended content. I will give it a try. Thanks!

See this is why I love the dollar store! I always check if they have any new baskets or stackable bowls and such. I see all sorts of weird shapes and sizes over the course of a year. Some of them are really handy! And they're all cheeeeep!

The long oval plastic kind I really like for holding kitchen scraps is the same one I like for harvesting, because it will hold big kale and mustard and other leaves. A round bowl is no good for that unless it's way too big to carry around comfortably.
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Post  trolleydriver on 7/27/2015, 5:57 pm

Dollar stores are great.  We picked up some small containers for storing herbs grown in the SFG and dried by various means.
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Post  sanderson on 7/27/2015, 8:24 pm

@iscott123 wrote:Hmmm. I get a feeling that my composting is quite different than your method. I think I need to learn about that as well!

@sanderson wrote:Many of us have bags of frozen peelings/trimmings in our freezer.  Some are even labeled worm food for the worm tubes and worm Hiltons. Wink
Just to clarify, food scraps are saved for the compost pile until it is time to make a compost pile.  Some of us also feed red wiggler worms for their worm castings (poops), which are a great compost.  Worm tube:

Free range worm bin:

How do you make compost?  There are several ways.  Here's my cage:  

Gads, there are so many topics on this Forum.  Where to start? thinking

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t1738-compost-101

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t18500-compost-berkeley-18-day-hot-method?highlight=The+Berkeley+18

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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/27/2015, 10:25 pm

sanderson, just curious ... what's the solar light doing in the bed next to your worm tube?
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Post  sanderson on 7/28/2015, 3:01 am

The worms are afraid of the dark. Wink Seriously, to light up dark areas of the back yard.

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Post  Escaped Lunatic on 7/28/2015, 7:30 am

Don't get discouraged yet Ioana,

I've been doing experiments in my roof garden for a few years now.  Every time I think I've got one plant figured out, it goes on holiday or else some do well and others nearby fail miserably.  Changing gardening styles will take some trial and error.

(Plus, I'll need you to encourage me when I finally deploy my first SFG experiment in a week or two. Laughing)
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 7/28/2015, 9:12 am

Hi Ioana. 

Well, I'm glad to see that you're getting it narrowed down.  I know that in the long run, your garden will be much easier & productive than row gardening.  (although it may not seem like it now!)

Does your library have a copy of the All New SFG book?  With each edition, it's gotten easier to make a great garden!
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Post  sanderson on 7/28/2015, 11:15 am

EL, We will all cheer you on.

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Post  iscott123 on 7/28/2015, 4:06 pm

Thank you all for your ideas and solutions. It looks like there is a lot of work for me to restart the garden and to start a proper compost pile. I ordered the organic fertilizer so that I can keep going for now. I will update you on my journey and will definitely ask more questions on the way! Smile
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Post  sanderson on 7/28/2015, 4:17 pm

We enjoy other folks' journeys. Very Happy Please keep us posted.

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Post  Marc Iverson on 7/28/2015, 6:38 pm

Yeah, we're your cheering section! So keep us posted and good luck!
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 7/29/2015, 8:32 am

I use a clean bucket with lid for my kitchen scraps, hangs right in my garage so I can put my coffee grounds (with used filter) and fruit and veggie scraps in there. I also put the toilet paper tubes in there!

Composting is big time, Ioana, and makes your garden sooooo much better in the long run, and so much less expensive than buying fertilizer, etc.

There is aa ton of composting info on this site and at your local library.
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update on my garden and fighting weeds??

Post  iscott123 on 9/6/2015, 10:12 am

Hello,

When I first posted my questions on this site, my garden was not doing too well. We identified it was the soil mix (too much peat moss). I added some organic fertilizer for the time being and my tomatoes are looking good. Now that I got a few empty squares I removed 1/2 of the soil mix and replaced with compost. However, at the bottom of the box, right through the weed protection fabric, there are weed roots that come up and make a mesh of roots!! I removed as much as I could but just wandering why is this happening and how I can fix it? Should I put a second layer of this fabric before adding the soil? There are weeds all around the box so not sure if that is the only problem or also the bushes that are about 7 feet away from the box.

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Post  Turan on 9/6/2015, 12:17 pm

Either or both. Weed cloth tends to work long term for only some weeds. Anything with persistence will eventually poke a root through. You have several options. I just dig my beds each year pulling roots out. Others put bottoms on their beds and raised them a couple inches or more.

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Post  sanderson on 9/6/2015, 1:31 pm

Having roots invade boxes can be a frustrating occurrence. The only permanent solution is to raise the beds off the ground so bush, tree and certain persistent weeds cannot send their roots through the weed fabric for a nutritious meal.  It was a lot of work raising all of my beds off the ground but well worth it in the long run.  I'm trying to get everything as bullet proof as possible to prevent problems and prepare for the day when I'm not so spry.  Here is a recent post with several other links.  http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t19938-weeds#230763

I think you did the right thing with removing half the original peat-heavy mix and adding more compost.  The half you removed can be used for another bed if you add compost to it!!   Very Happy  Some of us are really addicted to more beds.   Embarassed

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Post  Marc Iverson on 9/6/2015, 2:26 pm

Weeds are such a pain. When they're not coming up through the bottom, they're drifting in as hair-fine seeds onto your soil from the top. I wish you luck with all that. I've had such trouble with tree roots and other weeds before that in new planting containers I create, I go pretty heavy on the weed cloth. They actually sell it at the dollar store in spring ... a not too strong kind, but if nothing else, doubling up makes me feel I am doing everything I can do.

For future beds, you might want to solarize the area before you put a new bed on top. That could cut back on your future root and weed growth by giving you a clean slate to start out with.
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Post  iscott123 on 9/6/2015, 4:06 pm

Thanks for your suggestions. I guess at the end of this season I will dig it up and then put a few layers of weed cloth. I don't think I am ready to raise the beds. It sounds a bit too ambitious for me at this time. Smile
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Post  Kelejan on 9/6/2015, 7:12 pm

Just to let you know I am also one who is cheering you on, especially as you keep trying and not giving up. happy hi
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Post  iscott123 on 9/6/2015, 8:51 pm

thank you! Smile
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Post  sanderson on 9/6/2015, 9:35 pm

I went back and looked at the photo you posted. It looks like the bed is 4' x 12"?? To raise the bed, you would need to buy plywood (at least 1/2" thick) in 4' x 8' and 4' x 4' sheets, or 1 and 1/2 sheets. Also 2" x 4" treated lumber, cut in 4' lengths. lay those flat on the ground every 2'. Lay the plywood sheets on top, abutting them close together. Drill 1/2" holes in the center of every sq foot and one in each of the 4 corners. Set the existing frame on top of the plywood and line with weed fabric to keep the Mix inside. Then refill with Mix. I think I saw a YouTube video where the man dug out the mix on the 4 edges until he could lift the frame off, putting that mix aside on a tarp to keep it clean, with the remaining mix still on the original weed fabric. He then set up his new bed area and moved the frame to the new area and refilled with all the mix. I hope this makes sense. This would also be a time if you wanted to make the large bed into 2 beds of 4' x 8' and 4' x 4'. It's easier to tend trellised plants if you can reach into the vines from the sides, also.

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update from last year

Post  iscott123 on 6/27/2016, 11:08 am

Hello All,

Just an update from last year. As you advised, I removed 1/2 of the mix and added Uncle Jim's Worm Farm compost. This year the garden looks AWESOME and I already got zucchini, lettuce and radishes. Soon are coming, tomatoes, cukes, peppers and hopefully corn and potatoes! Thanks you!!!


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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/27/2016, 11:44 am

Wow! Shocked Look at that garden grow!
Nice job!
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Post  sanderson on 6/27/2016, 12:54 pm

Wow! Shocked Thank you for the update. It's nice to know you were able to save/improve the box!!!

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 6/28/2016, 8:04 am

Hi IScott. Looks wonderful! Congratulations!!!!
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