Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» What are you eating from your garden today?
by trolleydriver Today at 5:40 pm

» Garlic Growing Lovers
by Turan Today at 5:14 pm

» Lower south Oct 2017
by brianj555 Today at 5:02 pm

» Sowing Experiment! Anyone Tried This?
by brianj555 Today at 4:50 pm

» Thumbs Up????
by brianj555 Today at 4:47 pm

» BOOK GIVEAWAY - ENDS 10/20/17
by CapeCoddess Today at 3:48 pm

» Turan in the Western Mountains
by countrynaturals Today at 3:37 pm

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by countrynaturals Today at 3:34 pm

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by countrynaturals Today at 3:31 pm

» Gardening & Homesteading Skills Summit REGISTER NOW!
by countrynaturals Today at 3:28 pm

» Carrot Week 2017!
by Turan Today at 12:01 pm

» Hello from West Coast Of Scotland
by walshevak Today at 11:44 am

» Hello from Gilbert, AZ
by No_Such_Reality Today at 9:57 am

» A great offer for a local SFG,er
by AtlantaMarie Today at 9:16 am

» Gardening in Central Pennsylvania, 3rd year SFG
by sanderson Today at 12:17 am

» Today's Harvest
by brianj555 Yesterday at 8:21 pm

» new greenhouse got drafted
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 8:08 pm

» Monarch Supporter
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 7:55 pm

» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 1:50 pm

» New England October 2017
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 1:09 pm

» October Avatar: Don't Fence Me In
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 11:45 am

» Does MM improve with age?
by countrynaturals 10/15/2017, 3:51 pm

» TrolleyDriver's Compost Thermometer
by trolleydriver 10/15/2017, 3:28 pm

» Butterfly Junction
by countrynaturals 10/15/2017, 11:34 am

» Leaf-Footed squash bugs
by sanderson 10/14/2017, 11:21 pm

» N & C Midwest: October 2017!
by Scorpio Rising 10/14/2017, 9:12 pm

» Tomato Questions
by Scorpio Rising 10/14/2017, 9:06 pm

» large plant ID stakes
by has55 10/14/2017, 4:02 pm

» 2017 SFG in Brooks, Ga
by sanderson 10/14/2017, 3:12 am

» First time growing corn
by sanderson 10/14/2017, 3:07 am

Google

Search SFG Forum

Bone Broth

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/2/2016, 2:44 pm

I tried the beef broth recipe in my Christmas gift, Nourishing Broth, by Sally Fallon.  I ended up with 2.5 quarts using 4 pounds of leg bones and one leg knuckle, cut in 1" slices.  I bought a meat cleaver for chicken carcasses (next experiment) and a Mason 3.5 quart glass dispenser to help with decanting.  Total time about 20 hours for me. Before adding the garnish and veggies.
Glass dispenser and cleaver:
After decanting.  Total fat was <10 oz olive jar:
Recipe:

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  littlesapphire on 1/2/2016, 4:05 pm

Yay, congrats on your bone broth, Sanderson!  I try to save all my leftover bones and make broth about once every two months.  It doesn't taste that great by itself (in my opinion, anyway), but added to other recipes!  It just makes other recipes shine.  It gives soups and sauces such a rich depth.  And it's very good for you.  I try to drink it when I'm sick, which thankfully isn't that often since I started eating a traditional whole foods diet.
avatar
littlesapphire

Female Posts : 826
Join date : 2010-04-08
Age : 33
Location : Jamestown, NY (Zone 5a)

View user profile http://www.sanorigardens.org

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  mollyhespra on 1/2/2016, 4:12 pm

Hey, well done, Sanderson! I need to get me a cleaver like that. How do you like yours?
avatar
mollyhespra

Female Posts : 807
Join date : 2012-09-21
Age : 51
Location : Waaaay upstate, NH (zone 4)

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Kelejan on 1/2/2016, 5:03 pm

Littlesapphire, I have just finished making vegetable soup with turkey broth and you are right, it does add richness.  I had one portion for my lunch,  stored six portions for the freezer, and still have enough left for another couple of meals.

I always add a little bone broth to my dog Jazz's meal.  Bone broth is so good for us both. Keeps our coats shiny and our eyes bright. Very Happy

I also use bone broth in gravies etc.
avatar
Kelejan

Female Posts : 4971
Join date : 2011-04-24
Age : 82
Location : Castlegar, British Columbia

View user profile http://www.castlegarinkspot.ca

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/2/2016, 5:18 pm

Molly, I like the cleaver. It was free from Savemart grocery store with our bonus points. Bed, Bath and Beyond had a 6" one for $50. I just chopped a ton of wilted chard, lake, carrots etc. for adding to a secondary compost pile

KJ, Razz So that's your secret!

LS, I bagged our T-bones from NY Eve dinner!


____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Scorpio Rising on 1/2/2016, 5:48 pm

Are you cutting the bones up yourself, Sanderson? With a cleaver? I thought you need a saw for bones....you do in my OR!
avatar
Scorpio Rising

Female Posts : 5344
Join date : 2015-06-12
Age : 55
Location : Ada, Ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/2/2016, 6:23 pm

Scorpio Rising wrote:Are you cutting the bones up yourself, Sanderson?  With a cleaver?  I thought you need a saw for bones....you do in my OR!
rofl No! The butcher band sawed the bones for me. It's a hoity toity market. The cleaver is for the whole chicken, which is now leaching in the pot, waiting to start the simmering!.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Scorpio Rising on 1/2/2016, 7:11 pm

Oh, good! The visual of you with a cleaver hacking into beef bones was a little disturbing, at the least! darn funny
avatar
Scorpio Rising

Female Posts : 5344
Join date : 2015-06-12
Age : 55
Location : Ada, Ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  littlesapphire on 1/2/2016, 8:20 pm

Lol, you'd have to be pretty strong to cut the bones with a clever! 

I've never actually tried cutting up a whole chicken before.  Is it difficult?
avatar
littlesapphire

Female Posts : 826
Join date : 2010-04-08
Age : 33
Location : Jamestown, NY (Zone 5a)

View user profile http://www.sanorigardens.org

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/2/2016, 9:13 pm

Define difficult. Bone scissors might have been more graceful, but it did the job. A cleaver would have made spatchcocking the turkey back bone easier, I can now say.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  AtlantaMarie on 1/3/2016, 8:18 am

Sanderson, I LOVE that jar with the spigot! Where did you get that?

And congratulations on making bone broth...
avatar
AtlantaMarie

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4272
Join date : 2014-03-18
Age : 54
Location : Buford, GA - Zones 7B/8A

View user profile http://www.defensivespecialties.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/3/2016, 1:32 pm

Bed Bath and Beyond - $15.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  AtlantaMarie on 1/3/2016, 4:47 pm

Hmmmm... Okay, thanks.
avatar
AtlantaMarie

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4272
Join date : 2014-03-18
Age : 54
Location : Buford, GA - Zones 7B/8A

View user profile http://www.defensivespecialties.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/3/2016, 5:43 pm

It was in the Beyond section. Wink (kitchen)

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  plantoid on 1/3/2016, 6:36 pm

littlesapphire wrote:Lol, you'd have to be pretty strong to cut the bones with a clever! 

I've never actually tried cutting up a whole chicken before.  Is it difficult?

 Unfortunately most of the stock recipes don't actually say use uncooked bones or  fresh stripped carcass which is a pity as these make the best stocks.

To  sort a raw chicken   , use a sharp boning knife , take off the legs at the  top leg joint  right against the main frame /carcass . Then take off the wings right against the carcass , this leaves you a lump of chicken to take off the breasts.


 Stand the body on its butt end with the breast bone away from you ....If your right handed .
Now slice off as big a breast & side section as you can get from the right side starting  by the breast bone and working out to the back , using the tip of the boning knife to  make small stripping cuts to get as near to the bone as you can .Now try the same with the left side , you might have to lay the bird on its back  for this other side , have the butt end away from you .

 Pulling on the breast slice as you cut it free  till the rest of the bird  is nearly off the cutting board allows the weight of the carcass to help you , this also applies to holding & cutting off the legs & wings .

If  you get six or seven raw chickens at a time ,  you build a decent amount of usable freezable uncooked meat off the carcasses  & enough frames in one session  to make a decent volume of delicious stock .

 To use the  cut  carcasses ,  break them in half across their  backs using your hands, just a bit back from the rib cage . Using a knife to ease the halves apart on the spine , You shouldn't have to work hard nor think your going to have to have a lumberjacks skills .

 Put the cut up frames on top of the stock veg  so they are held underwater then bring to the boil and simmer for the suggested time.

Or
 Better still use the pressure canner , it is fantastic for stock making under pressure @ 15 PSI .

  Most bones are so soft after pressure cooking this way that you can break them up in your fingers . Save for the bigger heavier beef leg bones .  These  take a bit more effort but not so much that it takes our dog more than 40 seconds to demolish & make one disappear . Bits of usable meat are easily taken of the cooked bones or as usual most of it is already off the bones and in the pan with the veg .
Let it cool a bit and sieve off the liquid then sort the meat fromthe veg and fallen bone& can be frozen till needed in suitable sized packs  .
We nearly always use this frozen meat  as our chicken curry meal meat or meat for soup making , if we don't freeze all of it we use the unfrozen stuff in chicken and salad sandwiches .

 Some recipes suggest oven roasting the bones and veg first , this alters the final taste and colour of the stock .
avatar
plantoid

Male Posts : 3734
Join date : 2011-11-09
Age : 66

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  llama momma on 1/4/2016, 12:54 am

sanderson wrote:Define difficult.  Bone scissors might have been more graceful, but it did the job.  A cleaver would have made spatchcocking the turkey back bone easier, I can now say.
I can't cut chicken bones even with large kitchen scissors.  Not with arthritic hands. So I put the chicken bones on the cutting board and smash it with the meat tenderizing mallet. Use the crockpot method and save about 3-4 carcasses, slow simmer for about 20 hours with veggies and strain.  So convenient to throw it all in the crockpot and forgettaboutit till the next day.
avatar
llama momma

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4855
Join date : 2010-08-20
Location : Central Ohio zone 6a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  sanderson on 1/4/2016, 2:33 am

plantoid wrote:
littlesapphire wrote:Lol, you'd have to be pretty strong to cut the bones with a clever! 

I've never actually tried cutting up a whole chicken before.  Is it difficult?

 Unfortunately most of the stock recipes don't actually say use uncooked bones or  fresh stripped carcass which is a pity as these make the best stocks.

 Some recipes suggest oven roasting the bones and veg first , this alters the final taste and colour of the stock .
I followed the recipe and brushed the raw marrow bones with tomato paste and then roasted. Yum.
Here is a (gluten-free) soup I made tonight from the chicken bone broth. Broth, chicken, rice noodles, red bell pepper, carrots, salt and pepper, and from the garden: garlic powder, cabbage leaves and New Zealand spinach.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14752
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 68
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  littlesapphire on 1/4/2016, 10:51 am

Ooh, that looks really yummy, Sanderson!  I have to thank you for your post.  It inspired me to pull out the big bag of knuckle and marrow bones from the 1/4 cow we bought, and they're simmering now (and smelling wonderful).  I plan on canning the broth when it's done tomorrow Smile

Plantoid, thanks for the instructions on how to cut up a chicken.  It's so much cheaper to buy a whole chicken, but I get tired of roasted chicken all the time.
avatar
littlesapphire

Female Posts : 826
Join date : 2010-04-08
Age : 33
Location : Jamestown, NY (Zone 5a)

View user profile http://www.sanorigardens.org

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Yardslave on 1/4/2016, 1:41 pm

Tried my first batch of broth and It came out great after 20+ hours in a crock pot. I had to move out to the garage to finish the last 16 hours of cooking- my wife said it was smelling up HER house. I am amazed at how much of the actual minerals are leached out in the cooking process- nicest way to get mineral supplements.
avatar
Yardslave

Male Posts : 303
Join date : 2012-01-19
Age : 66
Location : Carmel Valley, Ca.

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  plantoid on 1/4/2016, 3:54 pm

Yardslave wrote:Tried my first batch of broth and It came out great after 20+ hours in a crock pot. I had to move out to the garage to finish the last 16 hours of cooking- my wife said it was smelling up HER house. I am amazed at how much of the actual minerals are leached out in the cooking process- nicest way to get mineral supplements.
 

That's where  pressure cooking the frames /bones in the canner at 15 psi comes in very handy.
 Simply  cover , heat & once it hisses give it  30 min after lowering the heat for a gentle chuckle of the weight once every 20 or so seconds for a one second burp and it's done .

Turn the heat off & leave the canner closed up with the weight still in place on hob to act as a radiator of heat for a few hours .  After all ... you have paid for that heat so why waste it ?

By morning the sterile cool contents can be sorted at your leisure up to several hours after you've  open the canner up .

There is hardly any of the crock pot smells or higher moisture  noticeable in the kitchen . Any aroma or moisture  goes out the above the hob extractor fan as soon as it escapes the pressure canner. .
avatar
plantoid

Male Posts : 3734
Join date : 2011-11-09
Age : 66

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Scorpio Rising on 1/4/2016, 5:48 pm

plantoid wrote:
Yardslave wrote:Tried my first batch of broth and It came out great after 20+ hours in a crock pot. I had to move out to the garage to finish the last 16 hours of cooking- my wife said it was smelling up HER house. I am amazed at how much of the actual minerals are leached out in the cooking process- nicest way to get mineral supplements.
 

That's where  pressure cooking the frames /bones in the canner at 15 psi comes in very handy.
 Simply  cover , heat & once it hisses give it  30 min after lowering the heat for a gentle chuckle of the weight once every 20 or so seconds for a one second burp and it's done .

Turn the heat off & leave the canner closed up with the weight still in place on hob to act as a radiator of heat for a few hours .  After all ... you have paid for that heat so why waste it ?

By morning the sterile cool contents can be sorted at your leisure up to several hours after you've  open the canner up .

There is hardly any of the crock pot smells or higher moisture  noticeable in the kitchen . Any aroma or moisture  goes out the above the hob extractor fan as soon as it escapes the pressure canner. .

Plantoid, what is a job? Is it a stove?
avatar
Scorpio Rising

Female Posts : 5344
Join date : 2015-06-12
Age : 55
Location : Ada, Ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  littlesapphire on 1/4/2016, 8:57 pm

Plantoid, I've tried broth in a pressure cooker before.  It cooked so fast!  Unfortunately, I decided later that it was probably not healthy to cook my broth in an aluminum cooker (which mine is), so I'm going to wait until I have a stainless steel one to do that again.  Until then, it's 12 hours in the stock pot.
avatar
littlesapphire

Female Posts : 826
Join date : 2010-04-08
Age : 33
Location : Jamestown, NY (Zone 5a)

View user profile http://www.sanorigardens.org

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Yardslave on 1/5/2016, 4:40 pm

littlesapphire wrote:.....  Unfortunately, I decided later that it was probably not healthy to cook my broth in an aluminum cooker (which mine is), so I'm going to wait until I have a stainless steel one to do that again.  Until then, it's 12 hours in the stock pot.

Read this article I read by the Alzheimer's Association. If your concerned about using a safe type of cookware, Scroll down to "Myth 4" and see what they have to say in response to fears of using aluminum cookware.
avatar
Yardslave

Male Posts : 303
Join date : 2012-01-19
Age : 66
Location : Carmel Valley, Ca.

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  plantoid on 1/5/2016, 8:47 pm

littlesapphire wrote:Plantoid, I've tried broth in a pressure cooker before.  It cooked so fast!  Unfortunately, I decided later that it was probably not healthy to cook my broth in an aluminum cooker (which mine is), so I'm going to wait until I have a stainless steel one to do that again.  Until then, it's 12 hours in the stock pot.
 
 The aluminium thing is an expensive  fallacy , plenty of squawks still exist on the internet about it .  Unless you have a specific allergy to aluminium ( very few folk d do apparently  )  there are no health risks .

For years  folk were getting swivel eyed and walking is jerky movements when ever aluminum pans were mentioned. This led to a massive exodus in the kitchen of aluminium , to be replaced by stainless steel , cast iron enamelled cast iron , glass and pot . Now we have silicone rubber & plastic trays & bags that can be used as cooking ware as well  . Somewhere in our home I think we still have a metal bottomed silicone rubber camping kettle  & two small flat pack camping pans made in the same manner What a Face

Obviously you don't use hard metal spoon and scrape the softer aluminium metal with them .

 Currently as far as I know  for I spent ages on this a few years ago because we have an All American Pressure Canner that's made out of thick aluminium .  There is no reason whatsoever not  to use  un pitted well maintained aluminium pans .

 The only thing I do know for sure is that you should NOT leave food in them  for days at a time especially if it is acidic as this causes chemical reaction that are not to healthy but that can be said of all the cast iron & stainless steel pans as well .... You need to decant it into glass or plastic or  similar and put it in the fridge.


Last edited by sanderson on 1/7/2016, 12:53 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : At poster's request)
avatar
plantoid

Male Posts : 3734
Join date : 2011-11-09
Age : 66

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  plantoid on 1/5/2016, 8:59 pm

Scorpio , I have a wicked sense of humour ..

So in reply to you asking ....
" Plantoid, what is a job? Is it a stove?.

"My reply..... tongue in cheek , ...... " No it's a spellign mistook on your part " .


Seriously :-
 These days the hob is the hot part where you put your pans on the top  a gas or other fueled stove  or an electric ring or the induction heat area

 Originally I think the hob is the old witches cauldron type scenario  where the cauldren is suspended over an open wood  fire  on the hob .

 I sure  the hob is those three six foot or so long iron rods set in a triangular pyramid that the cooking pot hangs from
avatar
plantoid

Male Posts : 3734
Join date : 2011-11-09
Age : 66

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Bone Broth

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum