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Post  sanderson on 12/13/2016, 12:29 pm

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I wish I knew how to insert the actual video.

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Post  has55 on 12/13/2016, 12:45 pm

You can't insert the video from that website. I selected the youtube button in the lower right-handed corner of the video, which sent me to the youtube website to watched the video. Then I selected the share button which causes a drop down menu  showing a code. I copy it, then return to out the SFG website, choose the above youtube icon, paste in the code and select return or enter on your keyboard. The SFG website will automatically do the rest of the insertion process.
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Post  Zmoore on 2/15/2017, 2:20 pm

Not sure if this is new or not:
Teaming with Fungi: The Organic Grower's Guide to Mycorrhizae (Science for Gardeners) by Jeff Lowenfels


I know Jimmy Cree is a big fan of the teaming with Nutrients and Microbes.  I even bought those and read them based on his recommendation.  I don't recall this one being mentioned before.  I just got an e-mail from Amazon advertising this book.  I'll probably get it myself here soon, just thought I'd share that it was out there.
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Post  has55 on 2/15/2017, 10:43 pm

thank you. looks good.
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Post  jimmy cee on 2/16/2017, 9:15 pm

@Zmoore wrote:Not sure if this is new or not:
Teaming with Fungi: The Organic Grower's Guide to Mycorrhizae (Science for Gardeners) by Jeff Lowenfels


I know Jimmy Cree is a big fan of the teaming with Nutrients and Microbes.  I even bought those and read them based on his recommendation.  I don't recall this one being mentioned before.  I just got an e-mail from Amazon advertising this book.  I'll probably get it myself here soon, just thought I'd share that it was out there.

Just hit the shelves in Jan 2017
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Post  sanderson on 2/17/2017, 1:05 am

Jimmy, Have you read it?

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Post  jimmy cee on 2/19/2017, 8:20 pm

@sanderson wrote:Jimmy,  Have you read it?
Sorry about dealy for this as I've been away and that i phone just cant hack it the way my computer can, ( or maybe it's me)
Yes for reading Teaming with Fungi....There are some detailed parts that are very boring, I read through them anyway and only a scientific mind could pick it up, in my opinion.
However I am now coming into the nitty gritty of the book.. And is it ever interestin, same as the other 2 books Jeff has written..It seems fungi has been around since time began, and plants cannot survive with out some kind of it.
I definitely recommend all three books for anyone who enjoys gardening, plant life or tree life..
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Post  CapeCoddess on 3/12/2017, 11:15 am

I'm reading Teaming with Microbes for the second time. It's amazing what you can pick up on a second reading that was glossed over during the first. Like that slugs can travel up to a mile during the night. Gross!  Anyway I was wondering if anyone following this book is leaving the inch of compost on top  of the SFG rather than mixing it in? It seems to be what is suggested by the book.
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Post  sanderson on 3/12/2017, 6:16 pm

Thought about leaving it on the top. Then decided to turn it over here and there. If I don't turn somewhat, eventually the vermiculite and peat moss will just be in the lower stratum. ??

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Post  CapeCoddess on 3/12/2017, 7:25 pm

@sanderson wrote:Thought about leaving it on the top.  Then decided to turn it over here and there.  If I don't turn somewhat, eventually the vermiculite and peat moss will just be in the lower stratum.  ??

That's exactly what I was wondering about. I can't quite figure out what to do. It's almost like the two methods don't fit together.
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Post  sanderson on 3/13/2017, 3:32 am

Well, what would Mel do? The main thing is adding quality compost. Jimmy is top dressing and Camp mixes it in by the wheel barrow. Both have great crops. Mel got it right with his Mel's Mix and I don't even know if he thought of the role of microbes and nutrients. Light, fluffy and rich.

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Post  has55 on 3/13/2017, 4:37 am

I have put 3 inches of compost on top. The earthworm and microbes devour it by bring it down into the soil and mix it for you. literally you'll see the compost disappear while you have the ground cover from sunlight. weed protection, temperature control and free mixing of fertilizer by microbes and worms while keeping the soil web undisturbed, building it underground cities.
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Post  No_Such_Reality on 10/30/2017, 3:29 pm

Saw a recent 'free' 'webinar' from Dr. Inghram's company of which the teaming books are based which reminded me.  I haven't read the books yet. But also a question about the research in sustainable farming and no-till methods and the soil web.

Along those line do any of the three books discuss the pro/cons of our habit of uprooting our spent plants?  In the SFG, it's common to pull the plant, roots and all, replace with some compost and replant.

Should we be pulling the roots or just cutting off at soil level and planting near?

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Post  countrynaturals on 10/30/2017, 4:28 pm

@No_Such_Reality wrote:Should we be pulling the roots or just cutting off at soil level and planting near?
Oooh, good question. I'd like to know the answer to this one, too. bounce
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 10/30/2017, 4:46 pm

I pull nightshades because the tomatoes are usually infected by something by season's end. And I'll pull plants I know or suspect have root borers (cukes, squash; brassicas with symptoms of borer infection.) And of course I pull (or gently dig) root vegetables. But I tend to cut or break the rest to try to avoid disturbing the likely inter-meshed roots of plants in adjacent squares.

I'm not sure it's even possible for me to pull out one of the big collards while they're alive!
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Post  sanderson on 10/31/2017, 4:06 am

NSR,  My take away from the first book, Teaming with Microbes, is that for those that do SFG per the book*, pull out the plants.  Once a plant is cut off, those plant roots die, anyway.  I pull out everything except maybe small lettuces.  I couldn't plant a winter crop if I didn't get the root ball and main root(s) out.     Also, I get to look at the roots for health.  Annuals (veggies) are primarily bacterial.  Perennials, including trees and bushes are primarily fungal and the soil should not be overly disturbed.

*initially Mel's Mix, periodic addition of quality compost, plant spacing and grids, etc.

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Post  countrynaturals on 10/31/2017, 11:31 am

I chop off legumes. One of those seminars I love so much, said that the nitrogen-fixing properties only work as long as the roots are still in the ground. I'm also thinking that except for tomatoes, everything else could be cut off if we're putting the bed to bed for winter or leaving it fallow for any other reason. We can always pull up what's left if necessary when it's time to plant again. geek
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Post  has55 on 10/31/2017, 3:11 pm

I cut plants at ground level, esp the greens. Then plant right next to it if I'm seeding directly. this provides nutrients and more tunnels for the roots to move deeper than before.plus the nutrients are on the walls of the tunnels. transplants need the space, so the plant is pulled to make room. if the plant is sick, disease, collpase suddenly it's pulled.
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