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Post  has55 on 3/29/2016, 6:55 pm

has anyone seen this symptom on their broccoli rabb plants or any plant?

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Post  sanderson on 3/30/2016, 3:42 am

Did I hear you correctly at the end that you did not replenish this soil with compost? Maybe that's the simple fix, add some or Espoma Organic fertilizer??

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/broccoli-turning-yellow-garden-33139.html

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Post  camprn on 3/30/2016, 6:47 am

I cannot hear the audio, but sever foliage chlorosis is typically indicative of mineral deficiency. Check Google. Have your growing medium analyzed at a soil lab to be sure what you need to correctly remedy the problem.

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Post  camprn on 3/30/2016, 6:48 am

I cannot hear the audio, but sever foliage chlorosis is typically indicative of mineral deficiency. Check Google. Have your growing medium analyzed at a soil lab to be sure what you need to correctly remedy the problem.

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Post  has55 on 3/30/2016, 11:34 am

no I didn't add compost. I was in a rush with the crazy yo-yo weather. Here it acts like it going to be summer yesterday. 
No fresh compost, but I spoke in error. I added Molasses, azomite, red and green lava sand, garrent pro juice. I think I had it covered with leaves this fall which was gone after I removed the mulch cover. but the bottom bed from which I got the soil is now on top from shoveling. Except for the broccoli cauliflower plant that's next to the broccoli rabb,  which is going the seed early, my other plants are doing fine. I think. see below.



this is the other bed next to the above bed, which has younger plants that germinated from seed. The above plants were purchased transplant about 3 weeks ago. The soil is from another wooden SFG bed with the same make up.


I'll try sanderson idea, while I wait for my soil test result. Thank you
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Post  camprn on 3/30/2016, 12:00 pm

Well, clearly just tossing in that variety of sugar, and rock dust stuff didn't cover what the plants needed. My guess is it may have taken less time to just put compost in the bed. Sometimes adding the fertilizers and  cutting corners is going to get a gardener into quite a bit of trouble. The younger plants look good for now. But do not be surprised if you see signs of nutrient stress. AS the plants get larger, they use more of the soil resources, faster.

Let us know how the lab results turn out.

I too recommend, as Mel recommends, adding good quality compost, it will generally offer better, well rounded, and longer lasting fertility to the health of the growing medium, and subsequently the vegetable plants.

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Post  No_Such_Reality on 3/30/2016, 12:25 pm

Since the plants with the problem were purchased, I think you actually have different problem and may make it worse.  I don't think it's a deficiency, I think the Raab is already suffering from fertilizer burn from the original grower and intermediary.  



This is lettuce with fertilizer root burn. Hmm image not showing: http://ucanr.org/blogs/SalinasValleyAgriculture/blogfiles/7257.jpg

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Post  camprn on 3/30/2016, 2:30 pm

@No_Such_Reality wrote:Since the plants with the problem were purchased, I think you actually have different problem and may make it worse.  I don't think it's a deficiency, I think the Raab is already suffering from fertilizer burn from the original grower and intermediary.  



This is lettuce with fertilizer root burn. Hmm image not showing: http://ucanr.org/blogs/SalinasValleyAgriculture/blogfiles/7257.jpg
A good point and a possibility, however I do not think it likely. The discoloration is of a very different nature in haas video that the overall yellowing seen in the image above. 

There is a lot that could go wrong with rapini. Haas, try contacting your co-operative Extension Service agricultural agent for more info.
https://cals.arizona.edu/crop/public/docs/Azbroccoli-raab.pdf

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Post  has55 on 3/30/2016, 3:10 pm

Good points by both of you. 
these are new plants for me. did very well last year. I don't think they are truly meant for texas, but I feel I'm up north enough to use them like last year.

I didn't give it much thought at the time when I transferred the soil to the new beds(4), thus putting the new in bed compost that formed from the 4 inches of leaves that were consumed by the soil web during the fall, while it was resting for the spring. somehow I thought the material would be spread throughout the bed and  the bottom would be better. I forgot it would only be the first 4-6 inches. My old beds were 13 inches deep. I didn't try to mixed the top with the bottom, i just flip the soil. I added the other ingredients as a safety net when I realized I should have put the top layer to the side and shoveled out the bottom, then put the top layer back on top. the soil web was going to be destroyed anyway. 
This is part of the lazy gardener syndrome. too many iron in the fire.

another factor is the temps. we are hitting close to 90's some days, which is why I think both plants are bolting so early, but I assumed that would have nothing to do with the yellowing on the broccoli rabb ( a type of mustard green that produced broccoli heads). Normally we would be in the sixties, but were having hot days and cold night since feb, It's kinda of scary. 
I have not made a decision yet, but may emptied the garden vermicomposting buckets and applied 2-3 inches,. these are 2.5  gallons lowes blue buckets. I have 21 buckets at this time with approx 12 full, The others are 1/2-3/4 full. I wanted to use it for large batches of vermicompost tea, but may have to use that plan later. That stuff is like gold and I'm struggling with letting it go, because I have research and development plans running around in my head. we'll see. (sigh-the best plans of mice and men).
I have two compost piles developing with leaves, coffee, etc.., but they are only 50% ready. I could had them ready, but I still don't like turning them, so it going a little slower than I want. As I said in another post, I threw in the towel and decided I needed to do some compost beds. Ii cheap,basically free. I decided to use the turning as one way to help become less obese and live. 
thanks camprn and no_such_reality for sharing.
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Post  sanderson on 3/30/2016, 4:02 pm

Compost, the Breakfast of micro-Champions!

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 3/30/2016, 4:24 pm

Has55, is that broccoli next to the rabe?  It does look like a nutrient deficiency to me.  Show the picture to either the extension agent or another farmer, and have the soil (MM) tested.  I would add the vermicompost into that bed, too, after getting your sample for testing.
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Post  has55 on 3/31/2016, 12:51 pm

@Scorpio Rising wrote:Has55, is that broccoli next to the rabe?  It does look like a nutrient deficiency to me.  Show the picture to either the extension agent or another farmer, and have the soil (MM) tested.  I would add the vermicompost into that bed, too, after getting your sample for testing.
yes , it a broccoli-cauliflower. did well with it last year, but we had a "winter", real cold weather. this year, it acting like we were going to have a summer in the spring. never experience anything like it. I leaning toward nutrient deficiency. see my video below of the soils I didn't turned at all, same technique, but without turning.
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Post  mschaef on 4/1/2016, 9:14 am

Add some compost around the plant and water in... check in a few days if not better than you'll know to look elsewhere.
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Post  has55 on 4/1/2016, 4:14 pm

@mschaef wrote:Add some compost around the plant and water in... check in a few days if not better than you'll know to look elsewhere.
will do. presently I only have vermicompost that's ready and inoculated by the soil web. I noticed the  plant did responded slightly to my garrant juice pro with added fish liquid that I applied last friday. I'm repeating that today.  I'll add the amendments as you suggested . It may be too late. We are going to be in the 80's next week. Since I raising the beds for my wife, I haven't had time to bend new poles for the new width, so I could add the shade cloth.
does anyone know what the breaking point, temperature wise,heat stress for the rabb and the broccoli-cauliflower.? Today, I noticed my plain cauliflower was producing a head. It too early because it only about 10 inches, maybe 12".
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Post  sanderson on 4/1/2016, 7:43 pm

Has, My guess is that the cauliflower is desperately trying to reproduce (make a head) because it is getting too hot. I think your temps are close to mine, and my brassicas are done until fall.

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Post  has55 on 4/2/2016, 12:06 pm

@sanderson wrote:Has,  My guess is that the cauliflower is desperately trying to reproduce (make a head) because it is getting too hot.  I think your temps are close to mine, and my brassicas are done until fall.
Sad (sigh)I was in denial. at least my fall greens are still going strong (kale, swiss chard,collards, but the tender greens are bolting.
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Post  has55 on 4/21/2016, 7:19 pm

Haven't got around to soil testing. Shame on me. but the plants seem to have bounce back the cool weather plants are hanging in there, but still need help. We hit 50 tonight, but close to 80 saturday. Lots of rain. I found another soil testing site in Arkansas. They test free for state residents and charge 10.00 for out of state.

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cool cole crops hanging in there. celery looks good.


they're hanging. still good eating.



these are doing very well

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 4/21/2016, 7:27 pm

What do you have there, Has? Chard? Spinach, what is the yellow flowering thing? And collards?
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Post  sanderson on 4/22/2016, 3:15 am

Has, How have you been doing with all the rain?

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Post  plantoid on 4/22/2016, 5:46 am

That original picture of the weak insipid half dead plant you purchased & the recovery of it .

 That's a typical example of a shop purchased plant the has had the shock of drying out i soil then it gets a couple of waterings  a day or so to put it on sale.

The damage to the plant has already been done but was not easily seen at purchase time , though the clues to how its been treated will be there if you know what your looking for in the colour of the leaf & its edges edges and as to whether they have are strong & supple raised full of plant juice leaf veins .

 Due to you giving it a new happy home & lots to drink it recovers and the damage parts are out grown by new leaf.
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Post  CapeCoddess on 4/22/2016, 3:31 pm

@has55 wrote:

What is that beauty on the right with the mahogany and green leaves?
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Post  has55 on 4/25/2016, 4:31 pm

CC, it's a Japanese Giant Red Mustard I purchased at North haven Nursery in Dallas, Tx. Here's a great picture.
[size=33]Japanese Giant Red Mustard[/size]
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Post  has55 on 4/25/2016, 4:40 pm

@sanderson wrote:Has,  How have you been doing with all the rain?
The rain has affected the soil. It seems ok. I adding weekly garrent juice because it has been raining so much. One application of compost juice two weeks ago.The plants look well. The cole crops still bouncing alone, but we hit 85 degrees today. Severe storms tomorrow. The soil seems to drain and hold the proper amount of moisture. The vermicomposting garden bucket are doing well, in fact the consumption rate has double, maybe triple. I thinking of putting together a day by day slide show to show the consumption rate. I have not put mulched or leaf topping with mulched on top yet except for my peppers and tomatoes. I'm thinking I should remove it till the heavy rains stop. Any ideas about that thought?
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 4/25/2016, 5:49 pm

Did the yellow plant recover?
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Post  has55 on 4/26/2016, 11:43 am

@Scorpio Rising wrote:Did the yellow plant recover?
here's what it looks like today. Pictures from 3 different angles.



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