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Post  mlpii66 on 4/18/2017, 9:38 pm

I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
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Post  Turan on 4/18/2017, 9:41 pm

It is supposed to snow again in a couple days... Rolling Eyes 

I wonder is any carrots will germinate.  The peas are starting to, not out of the ground yet though.

I planted a bareroot Canadian Red Chokecherry this evening.  Some cool wet days will be good for it settling in.

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Post  Turan on 4/18/2017, 10:01 pm

@mlpii66 wrote:I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
So you mean basically floating row covers, agribon, Reemay, etc.  I use those in the greenhouse and outdoor beds in the spring and fall.  Elliot manages to grow all winter using them I believe.  I do not know if I believe 2 whole zones though. Also  giant greenhouse like his has more thermal inertia than a bed with hoops over it.  The hard part of that for me is winter watering in the greenhouse.

For some reason greenhouse cloth made me think of that really tough stuff they lay over the ground so it is not muddy in commercial potting greenhouses.

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 4/18/2017, 10:16 pm

@mlpii66 wrote:I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
I put Agribon-30 over zebra grass 'hoops', and added plastic directly over the top of that when it got to 15*F or below, and took it off when it got to 40*F so things didn't overheat. I don't know if I got 2 zones since I had no air gap between the plastic and fabric, but I'd call it successful and I'll be doing more this winter.
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Sometime after this^ photo everything took off. The lettuce I thought was dead even started growing. I've gotten several servings of mustard greens.
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Post  mlpii66 on 4/18/2017, 10:26 pm

@BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:
@mlpii66 wrote:I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
I put Agribon-30 over zebra grass 'hoops', and added plastic directly over the top of that when it got to 15*F or below, and took it off when it got to 40*F so things didn't overheat. I don't know if I got 2 zones since I had no air gap between the plastic and fabric, but I'd call it successful and I'll be doing more this winter.
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t18737p100-winter-gardens-photos
Sometime after this^ photo everything took off. The lettuce I thought was dead even started growing. I've gotten several servings of mustard greens.
Nice!
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Post  mlpii66 on 4/18/2017, 10:28 pm

@Turan wrote:
@mlpii66 wrote:I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
So you mean basically floating row covers, agribon, Reemay, etc.  I use those in the greenhouse and outdoor beds in the spring and fall.  Elliot manages to grow all winter using them I believe.  I do not know if I believe 2 whole zones though. Also  giant greenhouse like his has more thermal inertia than a bed with hoops over it.  The hard part of that for me is winter watering in the greenhouse.

For some reason greenhouse cloth made me think of that really tough stuff they lay over the ground so it is not muddy in commercial potting greenhouses.

Best of luck with your experiments~!
I've been trying to wrap my coconut around the winter watering problem too!  Suppose I should put the cart back behind the horse and get the greenhouse built first! Smile
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Post  Turan on 4/18/2017, 10:35 pm

Maybe plan so that there is a yard hydrant in the greenhouse?

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@mlpii66 wrote:I was a bit unclear about how I'm planning to use the green house cloth.  I want to use hoop houses over the planting beds then inside the hoop house make wickets and drape the cloth over the wickets, sort of a cloche under the plastic hoop house.  Elliot Coleman claims it raises up to 2 zones. I'm not from Missouri but I have to see for myself!
So you mean basically floating row covers, agribon, Reemay, etc.  I use those in the greenhouse and outdoor beds in the spring and fall.  Elliot manages to grow all winter using them I believe.  I do not know if I believe 2 whole zones though. Also  giant greenhouse like his has more thermal inertia than a bed with hoops over it.  The hard part of that for me is winter watering in the greenhouse.

For some reason greenhouse cloth made me think of that really tough stuff they lay over the ground so it is not muddy in commercial potting greenhouses.

Best of luck with your experiments~!
I've been trying to wrap my coconut around the winter watering problem too!  Suppose I should put the cart back behind the horse and get the greenhouse built first! Smile
The plants spend a lot of the winter "on pause" (it's like an outdoor fresh greens refrigerator) so they aren't sweating/breathing much- and both the fabric and the plastic help trap humidity. Between those two, and the snow melt and spring rain coming though the fabric when there wasn't plastic on top, I didn't water during the winter.
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Post  Turan on 4/20/2017, 9:01 pm

I woke in the middle of the night thinking, "Why didn't I put a blanket over the new carrot bed? It will help it keep from drying out and moderate the temperatures."  So I did that in the morning.  I knew I had forgot something, just needed to sleep on this conversation about covers to remember what. Laughing

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