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Post  Ginger Blue on 6/20/2016, 3:30 pm

There's a lily (I think), growing in the middle of my peonies. I hadn't paid attention to it for several days, and this morning discovered that something is decimating the leaves, but hasn't touched the bud.  Does any of this look familiar, and what can/should I do about it? Any input would be appreciated.



This is what's under one of the affected leaves (EWWWW!!!):



A potential culprit, but I don't know what kind of beetle it is:



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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/20/2016, 4:52 pm

Yes!  That's your culprit.  I think it's called a Red Lily Beetle.  
Don't know what that black stuff is though...gruesome.  Ew, when I enlarged that photo it looks like a bunch of caviar.

OH NO...cut those gobs in half.  There's more Lily beetle larvae under them!
https://www.google.com/search?q=red+lily+beetle+eggs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMpfOCv7fNAhUF9h4KHeU-CpAQsAQIMA&biw=1280&bih=640

and those little red dots are the eggs!
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 6/20/2016, 4:57 pm

Scarlet Lily Beetle - your second photo shows the larvae (who have frass - aka poop - on their backs to make themselves less appetizing; it works, eeeew) and your third photo shows an adult.

They are not native. You can handpick them into a small container of soapy water - for the adults, move the container underneath a resting beetle before attempting to nab it. These, and several other pest-y beetles, play dead when you try to grab them and may drop off the plant and plunk >>>
into the water in the process. Or they can let you grab them, and then you put them in the water anyhow. If you don't put the container underneath they drop into the undergrowth and are hard to find and hard to grab when they are on dirt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_lily_beetle

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Post  Ginger Blue on 6/20/2016, 5:26 pm

affraid  Thanks guys.  I think I got woozy and passed out briefly, after reading your replies. Shocked 

No  Oh, those awful gooey globs... boogie woogie  



...I'll deal with them in the morning. happy turtle

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Post  camprn on 6/20/2016, 9:36 pm

This looks like the Reed Lily Beetle and I nearly lost all my Asiatic lilies to the wee beasties a few years ago. This is what I use to keep them under control and keep my lilies. I have to check the plants every few weeks.


http://www.bonide.com/products/garden-naturals/view/252/captain-jacks-deadbug-brew-conc

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/20/2016, 10:55 pm

Wow. How horribly ingenius. Putting poop on your babies to camo them! Must work. Looked like bug poop. Good eye! Have fun in the morning! Lol

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Post  sanderson on 6/21/2016, 1:06 am

I have a 40 year strain of yellow cala lilies that get uniform holes across the width of the leaf. Can't find anything on Bing that looks like this unique pattern. Any ideas? Thanks

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 6/21/2016, 7:49 am

Canna Leaf Roller (which is the common name of two different species of caterpillars, one moth-to-be, one butterfly-to-be; same feeding style)

This has the best picture of the leaf damage that I could find quickly:
http://fragmentsofmylife-p.blogspot.com/2010/09/something-is-eating-my-canna.html

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Post  sanderson on 6/21/2016, 10:49 am

That's it!! Perfect line of holes. Wouldn't you know it that when I want to take a photo, there was only one old leaf with holes and it was already decomposing. So, that's for the photo and identification.

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Post  hammock gal on 6/22/2016, 7:36 am

@camprn wrote:This looks like the Reed Lily Beetle and I nearly lost all my Asiatic lilies to the wee beasties a few years ago. This is what I use to keep them under control and keep my lilies. I have to check the plants every few weeks.


http://www.bonide.com/products/garden-naturals/view/252/captain-jacks-deadbug-brew-conc

Gee, I wish I had known about this when I had a red lily beetle infestation. I ended up getting rid of all my oriental lilies, and replacing them with day lilies. The day lilies, bless their hearts, are robust and cheerful, but oh, I miss that oriental lily fragrance! I had stargazers and Casa Blanca lilies, and I read that especially the Casa Blancas are attractive to night pollinators, like moths, and exude their strongest fragrance at night, to attract them. I used to work the evening shift, and when I'd come home at night, that strong lily fragrance would be wafting on the air. It was like heaven! If this Captain Jack stuff really works, maybe I can get my orientals back. At the time, I was told that there was no spray that was effective for the lily beetle, that they all had to be hand picked and squished, but that their larvae would fall off the leaves, and being brown, blend in with the soil, be impossible to see, and so escape to live another day, and make elimination all but impossible. I was still working then, and didn't have time to deal with all of that, so opted to switch to day lilies instead. But now I have hope...thanks for sharing that! Very Happy

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/23/2016, 9:04 pm

Beetles, are you an entomologist? You know a lot about a lot of bugs! LOL! Very helpful!

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 6/24/2016, 12:44 am

I see entomologists as those who went to school and studied in that field, and perform experiments on/with insects, usually in non-natural settings. I find bugs fascinating, but I am not an entomologist.  I instead identify as a naturalist because I've spent a lot of time observing life in my backyards/gardens/parks. When I was young I had the Insects Golden Guide. When I found a bug, I'd look it up and learn what more I could about it. Now I prefer the Kaufman Field Guide to Insects of North America -- and have the internet and can get more precise about who's who, and what they do. I've spent a lot of time browsing bugguide.net. Glad I can help!

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Post  camprn on 6/24/2016, 7:25 am

@hammock gal wrote:
@camprn wrote:This looks like the Reed Lily Beetle and I nearly lost all my Asiatic lilies to the wee beasties a few years ago. This is what I use to keep them under control and keep my lilies. I have to check the plants every few weeks.


http://www.bonide.com/products/garden-naturals/view/252/captain-jacks-deadbug-brew-conc

Gee, I wish I had known about this when I had a red lily beetle infestation. I ended up getting rid of all my oriental lilies, and replacing them with day lilies. The day lilies, bless their hearts, are robust and cheerful, but oh, I miss that oriental lily fragrance! I had stargazers and Casa Blanca lilies, and I read that especially the Casa Blancas are attractive to night pollinators, like moths, and exude their strongest fragrance at night, to attract them. I used to work the evening shift, and when I'd come home at night, that strong lily fragrance would be wafting on the air. It was like heaven! If this Captain Jack stuff really works, maybe I can get my orientals back. At the time, I was told that there was no spray that was effective for the lily beetle, that they all had to be hand picked and squished, but that their larvae would fall off the leaves, and being brown, blend in with the soil, be impossible to see, and so escape to live another day, and make elimination all but impossible. I was still working then, and didn't have time to deal with all of that, so opted to switch to day lilies instead. But now I have hope...thanks for sharing that! Very Happy
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Post  yolos on 6/24/2016, 9:01 am

Camprn - My son in law set up bee hives right next to my garden.  He said spinosad was bad for the bees.  He is not experienced so what do you think of this.

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Post  camprn on 6/25/2016, 7:15 am

@yolos wrote:Camprn - My son in law set up bee hives right next to my garden.  He said spinosad was bad for the bees.  He is noexperienced so what do you think of 
 spinodsad is an insecticide 
So yes it can harm all insects including bees. Read and follow the label directions . I don't use it on blooms. Also, I too am a beekeeper and very cautious about using insecticides.

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