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Post  jimmy cee on 6/28/2016, 9:29 pm

The following photos show how same pepper plants added at the same time, using everything the same until 4 days ago when I did a drenching of fresh compost tea.
All pepper plants were doing their thing, slowly coming along...The 4 days ago when I watered I split the bed in half, poured compost tea on the outer 2 squares of this bed..A distinct amount of growth is shown between the sections.
See for yourself, proof is in the puddin ( compost )



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Post  has55 on 6/29/2016, 2:25 am

"proof is in the puddin ( compost )"
great pictures. awesome!

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Post  sanderson on 6/29/2016, 10:42 am

Wow! Keep us posted.

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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/29/2016, 12:09 pm

How often will you water with the tea, Jimmy?
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Post  NanSFG on 6/29/2016, 2:42 pm

Has anyone done this with worm tea?

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Post  jimmy cee on 6/29/2016, 2:59 pm

@CapeCoddess wrote:How often will you water with the tea, Jimmy?
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With the tea ??? when ever I have it and look at somewhere to put the tea I have made up. One can not overdo compost tea, it just keeps building up more bacteria for plants.
I do water my beds at the least 3 days apart, maybe 2 if it's real hot and dry.
Using my compost I find it stays moist down below.

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Post  jimmy cee on 6/29/2016, 3:04 pm

@NanSFG wrote:Has anyone done this with worm tea?
Vermicompost..nothing absolutely nothing is better...According to Teaming with Microbes, Vermipost is the next best thing to ice cream in a sauna.
Worm casting has been through the cycle.

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Post  Ginger Blue on 6/30/2016, 9:14 am

Impressive comparison, impressive results!  Thanks for sharing this, Jimmy; it gives me something else to aspire to.

I wish I had everything it takes to do compost tea the right way, but unless Hubs and I win a lottery and a lot of things change quickly, this project will be on the shelf for a while.

In the meantime, rather than skipping the tea altogether, would it better than nothing if I just suspend some of my MM compost blend in a bucket of water, let it sit for a couple of days, then spray my plants with it?

I realize the results wouldn't be as impressive, but I just can't commit to the more complicated process at this time.

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Post  has55 on 6/30/2016, 12:27 pm

initially mel mixed is mostly sterile and need life to come into it. compost tea can inoculate the MM mix with soil web life or your homemade compost can be used.

This may give you a better idea of the cost. 
This is the cost to put together the tools for making compost tea.
aquarium pump that reasonably low cost and quiet. you can fine cheaper one for about $5.-7.00
Tom 60-100 Gallons Air Pump at walmart   - $18.00-21.10

Airline Tubing, 25' at walmart you need a few feet, so you need to cut it. $1.37

Aqua Culture Bubble Aquarium Stone, 1ct $1.67. you will need two of them. total-$ 2.74

paint striker bag for 5 gallon bucket at walmart for tying up the compost material $2.81 
                                    or 
                        old leg stockings- free

                   5 gallon bucket at walmart- $8.99


or free from restaurant, grocer stores or a old one at home.-free

Use homemade compost from material in the house,like food waste and from outside like your grass cuttings, for making compost tea- free.
vermicompost( worm poop) made at home with same above materials for making compost tea-free

                         approx total- $40.00 
I may have left something out. but this is basically it.

this will last many, many years

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Post  Zmoore on 6/30/2016, 1:03 pm

@Ginger Blue:
  Yes, you can do the "simple brew" letting it soak 2-3 days.  You just may not get as much beneficial bacteria as with the aeration method.  Fresh Finished compost is recommended for both methods.  Too old and you don't have as much nutrients for the bacteria or to go directly into solution.  Unfinished and you risk harmful pathogens.  BUT, as HAS55 pointed out it's not VERY expensive to get a set up going.  

@HAS55:
Looks like you covered it pretty well to me.  Only thing I could think of was a lid for the 5 gal bucket and in my experience the cost of the bucket doesn't include the lid, razzin-frazzin-stupid... I digress. +$2 more for a lid.  Not really required for the set up to work, but does help keep the foam that can form on top down in the bucket, reducing foam overflow.  

If pump doesn't have 2 hose connections (one for each stone minimum), you'll need some hose tee or wye connections to split the hose to each stone.... 50 cents?  Well add a another dollar for connectors.

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Post  Ginger Blue on 6/30/2016, 1:26 pm

Thank you Zmoore and Has55.  I appreciate the parts and cost list. It sounds like there's great ROIC once the brewer is up and running.

Expense is just one of the factors I'm taking into consideration.  The "bigger" project will have to wait for a while, but this is good information to have when we're ready to execute.

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Post  has55 on 6/30/2016, 1:46 pm

@Ginger Blue wrote:Thank you Zmoore and Has55.  I appreciate the parts and cost list. It sounds like there's great ROIC once the brewer is up and running.

Expense is just one of the factors I'm taking into consideration.  The "bigger" project will have to wait for a while, but this is good information to have when we're ready to execute.

thanks
You're welcome Ginger Blue. Zmoore thanks for catching the strangler info I forgot. Well appreciated. 
Jimmy Cee, how you doing with disease and insect control with the tea? Enquirer wants to know:D

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Post  NanSFG on 6/30/2016, 2:33 pm

@jimmy cee wrote:
@NanSFG wrote:Has anyone done this with worm tea?
Vermicompost..nothing absolutely nothing is better...According to Teaming with Microbes, Vermipost is the next best thing to ice cream in a sauna.
Worm casting has been through the cycle.

I have two working worm bins. The first bin in each one is not full yet.  The "tea" I was referring to was the liquid that I drain from the bottom of the bins.  Is that okay to use as fertilizer?  Does it need to be diluted?

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Post  jimmy cee on 6/30/2016, 5:35 pm

@NanSFG wrote:
@jimmy cee wrote:
@NanSFG wrote:Has anyone done this with worm tea?
Vermicompost..nothing absolutely nothing is better...According to Teaming with Microbes, Vermipost is the next best thing to ice cream in a sauna.
Worm casting has been through the cycle.

I have two working worm bins. The first bin in each one is not full yet.  The "tea" I was referring to was the liquid that I drain from the bottom of the bins.  Is that okay to use as fertilizer?  Does it need to be diluted?
 I'm going to suggest everyone who is really interested in making compost tea, and using leachette (which seems to be what folk consider the easy way) read this microbe book...before I read it I knew absolutely nothing about any of this..They do indicate that the leachette is virtually worthless if I am reading right.. Although there are many using it that swear by it.Again...the objective in compost tea is to increase microbe life, what nutrients are there will not be increased...
Sorry to say that this season is not my best as I am not able to submit much time to my garden....I even may need to let it go to pot..

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Post  has55 on 6/30/2016, 5:43 pm

@jimmy cee wrote: 
Sorry to say that this season is not my best as I am not able to submit much time to my garden....I even may need to let it go to pot..
it's ok JC if it goes to pot. you can sell it to California and get your money back. Very Happy

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Post  jimmy cee on 6/30/2016, 10:04 pm

Laughing
@has55 wrote:
@jimmy cee wrote: 
Sorry to say that this season is not my best as I am not able to submit much time to my garden....I even may need to let it go to pot..
it's ok JC if it goes to pot. you can sell it to California and get your money back.

Laughing   good one hass

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Post  sanderson on 7/1/2016, 1:11 am

Not so sure there would be a market in CA. We have hundreds if not thousands of pot growers with legal licenses. geek

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Post  Zmoore on 7/1/2016, 8:23 am

@ Ginger Blue:
You inspired me Smile  I started a batch of tea last night to be ready for Saturday.  Gonna try to "inoculate" a couple of my beds that don;t seem to be doing well.  Just thought I'd grab a picture of it to show you fairly simple set up.  


This morning when I was leaving for work I noticed foam coming out of the top where I have a hole in it.  That's what I was talking about for the lid.  No lid and you might get some foam "cascading" down the side.  In my case wouldn't really hurt, it's set up out side.  Anyway, I opened it up to take a picture of the foam inside and it wasn't really foaming inside.  Either it was in process of dying down or it was just getting started.  
Anyway, just a simple look for you.


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Post  jimmy cee on 7/1/2016, 9:12 pm

gave all those peppers shown above a crew cut


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Post  has55 on 7/21/2016, 4:39 pm

Jimmy, how often are applying the compost tea. Your plants look great. I only put down two application. this was a mistake, because I'm fighting disease or insect pest, not sure. Going to brew it weekly starting this week. should have follow the book.

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Post  johnmcc on 7/21/2016, 5:12 pm

@has55 wrote:Jimmy, how often are applying the compost tea. Your plants look great. I only put down two application. this was a mistake, because I'm fighting disease or insect pest, not sure. Going to brew it weekly starting this week. should have follow the book.

Does the compost tea help with pests/disease? I'm having a lot of issues with diseases. Some pest issues but mostly fungal diseases. I'm in Denton county so I'm not too far from you..

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Post  jimmy cee on 7/21/2016, 8:32 pm

Yes for diseases and pests according to the microbe book. I havent done the foliar spray yet as I'm concentrating on the roots. Tea may be used as often as desired. I am doing a five gallon bucket, diluting 50 / 50 with rain water.
I believe five gallons diluted will do 10 acres, yet it may be used direct...some amazing stuff it is.
The way it works on leaves is bacteria and fungi take up residence on the leaves, then allows nothing else to move in..

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Post  has55 on 7/24/2016, 12:12 am

How often are you making compost tea? weekly?

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Post  has55 on 7/24/2016, 1:51 am

@johnmcc wrote:
@has55 wrote:Jimmy, how often are applying the compost tea. Your plants look great. I only put down two application. this was a mistake, because I'm fighting disease or insect pest, not sure. Going to brew it weekly starting this week. should have follow the book.

Does the compost tea help with pests/disease? I'm having a lot of issues with diseases. Some pest issues but mostly fungal diseases. I'm in Denton county so I'm not too far from you..
johnmcc, according to the book "Teaming with Microbes" everything Jimmy Cee said is true, I only did two application since spring and I believe that was a mistake. I should have continued well into the summer.  tomatoes, cucumber and cantaloupes are struggling with either a pest or disease, I can't tell. But they are still producing and making new unaffected leaves. But my watermelon are doing well after I abandoned the mittlerder method for this fruit and let them grow as Sanderson suggested. It was too labored intensive cutting the vines shoots off. Maybe someone can tell me what going on with my sick plants. I sprayed my first application of compost tea for the month of july. I believe my last application was in may.


my watermelon







 my troubled cucumber, tomatoes and cantaloupes. don't know if fungus or pest or both. cucumber and cantaloupes  may new leaves. 
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 7/24/2016, 10:06 am

Check the undersides of the eggplant leaves with white spots. Look for spider mites/webbing/stickiness, or little brown oblong bugs (lace bugs). Both pests suck the juices out of areas of leaf, causing spots. My eggplant leaves have white spots, too, but I think the spots on mine are larger, and accompanied by holes -- so I think mine are from flea beetles that didn't gnaw all the way through all the time. I don't see any of the flea beetle holes on yours.

I'm wondering if the white patches on your cucumber are sun scald. I have some weird white spots on some of my cucumber leaves, and thinking about it, it's probably right where I could (and probably did) splash water filling the planter. Did your leaves get wet and then exposed to sun? (I'd imagine a sudden downpour followed by sun would count just as much as splashing while watering.) I'd expect more of a  stippled look, and less of a patches look, for spider mites on those.

The tomatoes look pretty stressed out, but I'm not good at diagnosing tomatoes. I'd give them some aspirin and blood meal. Are the Christmas ornaments to trick the birds into thinking "red things here aren't worth bothering with"? My first ripening big (non-cherry) tomato appears to have been given a single peck, and bird-netting isn't a route I want to take.

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