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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  CapeCoddess on 12/28/2016, 4:10 pm

@countrynaturals wrote:I got Territorial Seed Co. catalog today. It's a big, thick thing. Don't know how they found me. I got all excited and started by looking for some mini-zinnia seeds. FIVE BUCKS PLUS SHIPPING FOR 20 ZINNIA SEEDS? Are they nutz? affraid

Glad you said that. I got mine today, too, so I'll browse without planning to buy...from them anyway.

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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  Scorpio Rising on 12/28/2016, 9:49 pm

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@CitizenKate wrote:So I've been browsing through all the seed catalogs that have arrived in the mail, looking for a new heirloom tomato to try out next spring...  I'm dropping the Burpee Supersauce hybrid tomatoes next season... got some pretty nice and big tomatoes from them, but the yield doesn't justify the price of the seeds.  I would like to find another good heirloom all-purpose tomato (good in sandwiches and salads, and also good for canning), and the Rutgers has caught my eye.

Have any of you tried that one?  I've been doing a little online research on it, but curious to know what experiences any of you in the midwest might have had with it.  I did try a couple I got from Burpee a few years ago in my containers, and they didn't do well there.  The few tomatoes I got from them were delicious, but the yield was very low.  But now I have SFG, and they might be happier growing there.

I also noticed there seems to be a determinate version of the Rutgers.  That might be a better one to try in a container.  (Assuming that's not a typo.)
Yes!  I have grown Rutgers in my traditional garden, they were definitely determinate.  They tended toward a small paste type with a great taste for slicing as well.  My old nursery did those and Brandywine, and I got hooked!  

I would recommend them, at least a few to see what you think.   Also I was in well amended really good soil...deep loam....really good stuff.  Great cultivar IMHO.
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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  CitizenKate on 12/29/2016, 3:58 pm

@Scorpio Rising wrote:Really 
Yes!  I have grown Rutgers in my traditional garden, they were definitely determinate.  They tended toward a small paste type with a great taste for slicing as well.  My old nursery did those and Brandywine, and I got hooked!  

I would recommend them, at least a few to see what you think.   Also I was in well amended really good soil...deep loam....really good stuff.  Great cultivar IMHO.

I think I will try a couple of the determinates in my new containers (they went through a major redesign this year), and a couple of the indeterminates in the SFG beds.

The ones I tried before were indeterminate. The fruits off of those were about in the 7-8 oz range, not a bad size. I'm guessing they must need quite a bit of root space, and were probably getting root-bound in those containers. Then when it got hot (as it does every year, here), they tanked. Same thing happened when I tried Early Girls in the containers, but when I tried them in the SFG bed this year, they did just fabulous! So I'm hopeful that will also be the case with the Rutgers.
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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  Scorpio Rising on 12/29/2016, 10:46 pm

Right!  Depends how deep your containers go.  At least for me.
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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  CitizenKate on 12/30/2016, 10:51 am

They were 5-gallon buckets. Some indeterminates did fine in them, but I've found that they vary quite a bit in the amount of space needed for the root ball. The indeterminates seem to do better in them, generally, I think because they don't need quite as much space for their roots.

My new containers are more like 7-gallon sized, and porous. The test I did with them this season was a real eye-opener. The tomatoes definitely like the porous bags better than the solid plastic buckets.

New topic: garlic. I want to do some garlic next year, and I looked in ANSFG to find the plant spacing for it - nothing about garlic. I'm guessing 9 to a square... I know you've been growing garlic... what spacing do you use?
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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  Scorpio Rising on 12/30/2016, 8:59 pm

On the garlic thing, no concensus.  I did 9/sq my first SFG try.
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Re: N&C Midwest: December 2016

Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 12/30/2016, 9:11 pm

For garlic I plant 9/sq for most, but 4-5 (one in the center between a normally spaced 4) for the very large Music cloves so that they have room to use all that energy to become very large bulbs.
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