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Post  Chopper on 5/13/2010, 7:56 pm

My beans (3 varieties, all bush, in slightly different locations in the same bed) look sickly. That yellowy unwell, but not wilting look. I have exactly no money and no homemade compost yet. I did find some miracle grow for tomatoes and figured close enough. Nothing (let several days go by). I tried dilute epsom salts (1T per 1.5 gal water) and no change. I am wondering what next? They have 4-6 true leaves at this point.

I am considering pulling them out and waiting til I can add more compost and starting over. Or just let them continue growing and add compost later. I do not see any sign of bugs. I had a snail problem but that is solved and these were the survivors without much snail damage.

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Post  Toastie on 5/13/2010, 9:30 pm

How much water are you giving them
Mine stopped growing and got an ugly yellow then I upped the water and they seem to be growing again

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Post  miinva on 5/13/2010, 9:48 pm

There's no harm in leaving them there until you have the resources to change your soil, if you decide that's the problem. Mine all got burned by a cold night and I was going to yank them and start over, but I waited until the weekend and they were all making new leaves when I went out to pull them up! I'm glad I waited Smile

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Post  camprn on 5/13/2010, 9:58 pm

well, my first thought is... new soil-less mix... maybe they are not taking up the nitrogen...
In another thread there had been discussion about the benefits of inoculating rhizomes (peas, beans) before planting. Perhaps this is what you need... just a thought.

See here for info.

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Post  Chopper on 5/13/2010, 10:06 pm

Thanks. All good thoughts. Interesting. I will let you know how they turn out ultimately.

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Post  Retired Member 1 on 5/13/2010, 11:05 pm

Look at this page and see if you can find the specific problem.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/min-def/beans.htm
Scroll down to #180 and 184 -- both nitrogen and magnesium deficiency can cause yellowing. I used a bit of blood meal plus a ground up magnesium tablet on two squares of yellowing beans and within a week they were beginning to perk up. Still wimpy, but definitely getting better.

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Post  Chopper on 5/14/2010, 12:05 am

Magnesium deficiency is exactly what they look like. I will take your advice.

Also, I found a source of horse manure and very close to me. I found it while searching craigslist for premade compost bins. I was a little worried I would not have enough to put in the bins - no problem now. Better get that tetanus shot now for sure.

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Post  camprn on 5/14/2010, 5:21 pm

I had a typo in an earlier post in this thread. Beans and peas are legumes. I was referring to the nodules that grow on the roots of the plant. Sorry for the confusion.
http://www.extension.umn.edu/yardandgarden/yglnews/yglnewsjan12007.html

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Post  Megan on 5/15/2010, 7:57 am

When you say a magnesium tablet, are you talking about tablets you would buy for yourself in a nutrition store?

And while I am thinking of it... what is a good source of calcium? We do not use a lot of eggs. Ground-up Tums? Smile

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Post  Retired Member 1 on 5/15/2010, 8:45 am

@Megan wrote:When you say a magnesium tablet, are you talking about tablets you would buy for yourself in a nutrition store?

And while I am thinking of it... what is a good source of calcium? We do not use a lot of eggs. Ground-up Tums? Smile

Yes. This came of desperation one year when I needed calcium for the tomatoes and magnesium for the beans. Since I take both supplements, I tried them and they worked. There are better organic methods, but sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. As to Tums, who knows? It probably would work.

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Post  Megan on 5/15/2010, 8:54 am

How did you grind them up? Smashy-smashy with a frypan?

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Post  Lavender Debs on 5/15/2010, 9:05 am

I personally believe that bfbat is brilliant. I read her post on calcium tabs dissolved in watering buckets to cure blossom end rot. Amazing and simple.

I ground up calcium by setting a tab on my cutting board, took my big French knife and just started slicing thin. It crumbles as I cut. Mostly it is the coating that holds the chalky pill together. I don't have any straight magnesium but it might work the same way. I gathered it like I would chopped garlic, ran the blade across the board, gathered and dropped it where I wanted it.

Thanks bat for sharing what you learn!

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Post  Retired Member 1 on 5/15/2010, 2:09 pm

You are welcome -- sometimes desperation breeds interesting solutions. I also chop mine with a chopping knife, then put them in a blender with water to puree a bit more. Add to a bucket of water and away you go. I have some calcium/magnesium tablets so I'm going to try that on the tomatoes. I don't know of any problems with too much magnesium in the soil. If anyone does, please stop me.

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Post  Chopper on 5/15/2010, 2:35 pm

I have ground up pills in one of those small electric coffee grinders. Works great.

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Post  auntij on 5/15/2010, 7:15 pm

Would it be a good idea to use either of these as a preventative measure? I mean really after brewing my garden and compost 2 pots of coffee today I am game for almost anything if it will help give my babies a running start.

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Post  camprn on 5/15/2010, 7:17 pm

I would do a soil test to see if it is needing anything in particular before adding too much, besides compost. But that's just me.

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Post  Retired Member 1 on 5/16/2010, 6:15 am

My experience (10 years in ground SFG and 30 years row planting before that) has been that adding a bit of calcium to tomatoes when they are planted is a good idea. But that is the only preventative measure I've ever taken. I wait until a problem arises then go into action. Blossom end rot is a big problem in this area, which is the reason I added calcium. I didn't do it this year and so far haven't seen any potential problem, although the tomatoes are still green. But after reflecting yesterday, decided to give the tomatoes a weak calcium solution (one 500 mg. tablet in 2 gallons water for 12 plants).

My peppers and beans were showing stress, so I dosed them with magnesium and nitrogen last week and they have really perked up. The beans now look normal colour and the peppers have stopped losing leaves and are setting fruit. Glad a dosed them when they first began showing problems rather than my normal "wait and see" approach.

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