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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 3/16/2017, 6:47 pm

A/B1. Your statement isn't incorrect, but this might give more insight: Summer squash are generally meant to be eaten immature (before they develop mature seeds and a tough skin or rind) in the summer. Winter squash are meant to be eaten in the winter, after being harvested mature in the fall (definitely before frost) and cured. You can eat mature summer squash and baby winter squash, but each tastes better if eaten as they have been bred/selected for.

A/B 2. Yes, planted at the same time - frost will kill them both. I've read they don't like being transplanted, but plenty of people do it. If you start indoors and transplant I'd say: don't let them get pot bound, make sure your soil is warm enough, try to expose the roots to air as little as possible, and make sure to water the transplants in immediately, with warm water.

A/B3. Almost all summer squash/zucchini are bush. Vining varieties are very difficult to find. I grow Table Dainty which is a vining zucchini. Baker Creek sells that one. Trailing Green Marrow seed is available at Sand Hill Preservation Center. Those are the only two I've been able to find in the U.S.  See also, D.

C. Other summer squash varieties: pattypan or scallop squash. There are a few more, but mostly they look like differently colored or shaped zucchini.

D. Vines are the default for winter squash, but you can get bush varieties, typically for those winter squash that have smaller fruit. There are bush forms of acorn squash, delicata, butternut (Burpee's Butterbush), and buttercup squash. Bushkin was apparently a bush pumpkin, but seed is no longer available. "Semi-bush" forms of winter squash also exist, but I'm not clear on the definition/distinction. There are semi-bush pumpkin varieties. Maybe semi-bush are more suitable to growing up a trellis, but just have short vines instead of really long ones?

I had a hard time making that decision, too: I grew crookneck but it was mostly a random choice. They do start to get tough rinds if you let them get too big, I don't know whether the straight ones are any different.

Trombocino is an exception (or so I've read, I haven't had it, may grow it this year for the first time) to not eating winter squash young - it's good young, maybe even better young depending on your taste/texture preferences.  I haven't grown spaghetti squash (I don't get it - it's that stuff you scrape out of pumpkins and put in the compost... there's no actual squash in those things! Razz )

Place your peppers and eggplants such that they get more light than the squash, so the squash doesn't shade them (grow the trombocino and spaghetti squash up trellises behind them.) Try to put bush squash on corners/edges so you can direct it over the edge of the bed to prevent it from hogging all 9 squares that it would prefer to take up. For tomatoes vs squash, I don't know which I would put in front of the other. An indeterminate tomato on a trellis could get higher than a bush squash if it grew fast enough.
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Post  ralitaco on 3/16/2017, 11:11 pm

Beetles, thanks for that wonderful response. I have to re-read it a few times to make sure I understand it.
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Post  yolos on 3/16/2017, 11:31 pm

Do you have a problem with Squash Vine Borers (SVB) where you live????
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 3/16/2017, 11:48 pm

@ralitaco wrote:Beetles, thanks for that wonderful response. I have to re-read it a few times to make sure I understand it.
I do tend to run long-winded about gardening (and bugs)! If anything is unclear, just ask me to reword, or frame a different question, and I'll give it a go.

Yolos' question is an important/relevant one when choosing which varieties of squash to plant.
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Post  ralitaco on 3/16/2017, 11:53 pm

@yolos wrote:Do you have a problem with Squash Vine Borers (SVB) where you live????
Apparently we had some last season, but not the one before.
Why do you ask? Is there a particular variety to plant or avoid?
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Post  yolos on 3/17/2017, 9:17 am

Yes,  C. Pepo squash have a hollow stem.  The SVB will attack them and kill them.  For these varieties, if I do not use Tulle, they will all die.

The C. Moschata squash have a more solid stem and are less susceptible to SVB but they can still be attached but are less likely than C. Pepo.  

Here is a link describing some C. Moschata varieties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbita_moschata

 I grew Tromboncino and Butternut Squash last year.  One vine did get an SVB attach but survived.  

Also a write up of a very knowledgeable grower who has SVB problems most years. 

C. Moschata Summer Squash Varieties Tolerant of Squash Vine Borers
Okiedawn OK Zone 7March 13, 2015
We spend an inordinate amount of time here in summer discussing the horrible plague of Squash Vine Borers and their ability to completely wipe out plantings of squash and pumpkins (particular those that are Cucurbita Pepo and Cucurbita maxima) in time at all.
I've found it pretty easy to work around the issue with winter squash, choosing to grow varieties that are Cucurbita moschata (like Seminole pumpkin, Musquee de Provence, Long Island Cheese, Butternut, Lunga di Napoli, etc.) and sometimes C. argyrosperma (Green-striped cushaw, orange-striped cushaw, white cushaw, etc. ). And, if you choose, you can harvest any of the above and use them as summer squash if you harvest them very young and small (usually just a day or two or three after they bloom, are fertilized and begin to enlarge). You also can grow Tahitian melon winter squash or Trombocino squash to harvest early and young for use as winter squash, or later on as larger, mature winter squash. I'm not real fond of the taste and texture of either of those two.
I prefer to let my winter squash varieties grow and actually become winter squash, so have been growing other types of C. moschata squash that are used for summer squash. Since they aren't real well-known here in OK, I thought I'd mention them here in case anyone is looking for a summer squash variety that generally can outlive the attack of the squash vine borers.
I've grown avocado squash (so-named because the fruit do look somewhat like avocados) for 3 or 4 years now, and the two varieties I grow are Teot Bat Put and Early Bulam, both of which are hybrids. One advantage of growing these hybrids is that they've been bred to have short internode spacing which allows them to produce more fruit in less space. (Every C. moschata type of squash I've ever grown has been a really rampant grower.) Because C. moschata types of squash have solid vines, rather than the hollow vines that C. pepo and C. maxima have, the squash vine borers cannot easily tunnel their way through the vines, killing the plants in the process.
This year I've added a third variety of C. moschata summer squash to my grow list, and I'll continue to search out others. It is called Meot Jaeng I AE and it is a hybrid as well. This one is not an avocado squash. It is a Korean summer squash that looks more like a zucchini.
I'll still plant standard green-skinned zucchini and yellow summer squash in the spring for the early harvest, but I'll be counting on the varieties discussed above to continue the squash harvest throughout the summer even after the SVBs show up and do their dirty work.

I hope this info about these varieties is helpful for those of you who struggle every year with the squash vine borers. I purchased seed for these varieties from Kitazawa Seed Company. It is likely that Evergreen Seeds also carries these varieties or something like them. I've just never taken the time to wade through all the listings on their website looking for C. moschata varieties.


Some other sources
http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seeds_summer_squash.html
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Post  ralitaco on 3/17/2017, 9:59 pm

THANK YOU YOLOS AND BEETLES!!

Apparently I have some reading and research to do
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 3/17/2017, 10:32 pm

@yolos wrote:C. Moschata Summer Squash Varieties Tolerant of Squash Vine Borers
Okiedawn OK Zone 7March 13, 2015

This year I've added a third variety of C. moschata summer squash to my grow list, and I'll continue to search out others. It is called Meot Jaeng I AE and it is a hybrid as well. This one is not an avocado squash. It is a Korean summer squash that looks more like a zucchini.
Thanks for sharing that yolos! Much more complete than what I could have provided. My Table Dainty seemed to get either SVB or maybe some other borer in some of the stems, but not the main one, so it lost a few leaves and kept going. But I've only grown it one year, so I'm not sure how much of what I experienced was luck. I added the Meot Jaeng I AE to my 'consider for 2018' list.
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