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Post  Robbomb116 on 4/26/2017, 10:52 am

Proof of my short growing season: 2 weeks after it is finally safe to transplant peppers and tomatoes, I'm supposed to start fall peas if I want to get some before the frost comes in September.   

Makes me wonder if fall peas will actually work for me, considering how in about a months span we go from the potential of 100+ degree days to the potential of night time frosts.

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Post  sanderson on 4/27/2017, 4:32 am

You have a "long day" season so they should grow fine. Peas can tolerate light freeze.

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Post  Turan on 4/27/2017, 10:56 am

I am curious as well.  Pea plants are quite hardy but I suspect the flowers are less so.  I have had spring planted peas last until fall but I can not recall if I got much of anything from fall flowers.  I have never planted a second crop to mature in the fall though.

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Post  Robbomb116 on 4/27/2017, 5:02 pm

I actually doubt I'm going to try for fall peas, because now I realize I have no idea where I would put them even. My northern squares with the trellis will be occupied by tomatoes, delicata squash, and cucumbers in the summer.

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Post  yolos on 4/27/2017, 6:38 pm

Because our springs are short, summers brutally hot, and fall is short, I am now planting Strike English peas in spring and fall.  About two-three feet max height with 45 day maturity.  I planted some on 3/11 and they are just about ready to harvest.
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Post  sanderson on 4/28/2017, 3:22 pm

These are green-pea peas, not for their shells, correct? Do you think they might work in a winter-fallow bed before I plant the cantaloupes or winter squash in the late warm spring? Just thinking. thinking

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Post  Robbomb116 on 4/28/2017, 4:00 pm

We'll I'm doing snap peas and snow peas right now for a spring harvest, both used with the pod.  My plan is i will keep them going as long as I can,  and direct sow my winter squash and cucumbers while the peas are still growing.  I think the heat will kill the peas before the cukes and squash plants get big enough to be an issue.  

Regardless, I value the cukes and winter squash more just as far as what I eat, so if push comes to shove, the peas will be taken out early of they are in the way of the cukes and winter squash.  If I can even get a little bit of peas. I'll call it a win.

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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/6/2017, 11:50 pm



Just a quick two pictures.  The sugar snap peas are really growing,  they have found the trellis!  The bottom picture is of some buttercrunch lettuce I started in the winter sowing containers.

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 5/7/2017, 9:41 am

Looks like a good start! Baby lettuces are so cute.
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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/8/2017, 11:38 am

Weather has been crazily unseasonably warm this past weekend. Friday and Saturday were in the 80s, and Sunday it got to 90! I heard that on Friday, it was warmer in Bismarck than it was in Miami haha. Now it is cooling off some though, 60s-70s this wwwk for highs, lows in the 40s, possibly getting as low as 36 Thursday night. And we are not out of the woods yet for frosts as my frost date is the 20th of May. There should be some rule that you can't hit 90 degrees 2 weeks before your last frost date.

Seems like most of the garden enjoyed the warm weather though. Nothing really seemed stressed by it surprisingly, and a lot of seedlings used the extra warmth to finally germinate and/or grow a few inches! Officially finally have Swiss chard and beets germinating, as well as the radishes I planted on Wednesday. Just planted them around my kale and broccolini, thinking they will be done and put before the other plants really need to room/shade out the radishes.

Lastly, I think my winter sowing containers are finally germinating with the peppers, tomatoes, and eggplant... too little too late? Maybe I should be bringing the containers inside at night now, and maybe I would have had faster germination if I had been doing that for the hotties all along... trial and error!

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 5/8/2017, 11:42 am

@Robbomb116 wrote: There should be some rule that you can't hit 90 degrees 2 weeks before your last frost date. 
I second this proposal.
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Post  countrynaturals on 5/8/2017, 11:49 am

@BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:
@Robbomb116 wrote: There should be some rule that you can't hit 90 degrees 2 weeks before your last frost date. 
I second this proposal.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 5/8/2017, 8:18 pm

Wow, Rob!  You will definitely get some peas before you need to turn the squares!  As for the hotties, just wait and see.  After my first year, I do germinate and grow all the midseason hotties on the heating pad under lights.  Then the uber tender hotties also under lights on pad after the maters and peppers get potted up from cells and into the window.

It truly is a learning curve!  Keep making notes and adjustments!
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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/9/2017, 9:48 pm

Really hope so about the peas!

In other news, either some carrots are straying to germinate, or weeds are germinating in the carrot squares... regardless, there's life in those squares haha.

Also, although my toy choy has been germinating in slots the last week or so, the seedlings don't seem to be doing well... And the germination is spotty.  I dropped ~3 seeds in each hole at 9/square same as I did last fall.  Seems only like 4 separate "holes" germinated so far... And in those spots I have all 3 seedlings from the hole! So, I have about 12 seedlings.... in groups of 3... maybe those that have germinated were in shallower holes And the rest are on their way?

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 5/9/2017, 10:09 pm

@Robbomb116 wrote:Really hope so about the peas!

In other news, either some carrots are straying to germinate, or weeds are germinating in the carrot squares... regardless, there's life in those squares haha.

Also, although my toy choy has been germinating in slots the last week or so, the seedlings don't seem to be doing well... And the germination is spotty.  I dropped ~3 seeds in each hole at 9/square same as I did last fall.  Seems only like 4 separate "holes" germinated so far... And in those spots I have all 3 seedlings from the hole! So, I have about 12 seedlings.... in groups of 3... maybe those that have germinated were in shallower holes And the rest are on their way?
I know, I love peas!

I have been known to successfully transplant a sprout from a spot with many sprouts to a dead spot....try it, nothing to lose?
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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/23/2017, 9:25 am

I think everything is doing well, except for my bok choy which I ended up with 1 surviving plant out of the 18 I tried to grow.  

I see many of my neighbors planting out their tomatoes and possibly peppers as well. According to our last frost date, I expected yo wait another 2 weeks or so for that, but I suppose having an early spring is a good problem to have.  And the reason it is even a problem is I had planted carrots where my tomatoes will go (hoping for baby sized carrots whi change the packet said would take about 5 weeka) and they have yet to even develop true leaves.  So now I must decide if I think they'll be harvestable in 2 weeks, or If I should just go full grim reaper and kill the carrot seedlings to get my tomatoes in sooner. 

I also have lettuce growing where my peppers shall go, and I also am doubtful my lettuce will be ready to harvest by the time I want to put peppers in.  I actually have two beautiful transplants ready to go in to the garden that my friend from out of town brought me this past weekend.  He had more than he could use, so I adopted them.  They are mostly hardened off now I think.

Maybe I was a little too optimistic about my North Dakota spring and thought I could get more grown before I needed to put in summer plants.

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Post  Turan on 5/23/2017, 10:44 am

I guess the term is gardening optimism Very Happy
I saw May 14th for the last frost date for Bismarck. You should be safe to plant out tomatoes and peppers etc, but keep covers handy, they are not happy with nights below 40.
If possible try to plant between/through the carrots and lettuce. They will be happy under the tomatoes, it is just getting to that arrangement. I often plant tomatoes through lettuce and then harvest the lettuce for a month or so.
I have another couple weeks yet.

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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/24/2017, 8:50 am

@Turan wrote:I guess the term is gardening optimism Very Happy
I saw May 14th for the last frost date for Bismarck.  You should be safe to plant out tomatoes and peppers etc, but keep covers handy, they are not happy with nights below 40.
If possible try to plant between/through the carrots and lettuce.  They will be happy under the tomatoes, it is just getting to that arrangement.  I often plant tomatoes through lettuce and then harvest the lettuce for a month or so.
I have another couple weeks yet.
Thanks for the advice! I think I'll wait a week or two more as it's still getting pretty cold at night (was 38 this morning) and it's been/going to be really windy (30 ish mph consistently).  But I hadn't really thought of just taking out a few carrots and transplanting the tomatoes in with the others or putting the peppers in the middle of the 4 lettuces.  I'll definitely try it: worst case I just harvest what lettuce I got now and I don't really lose anything more.

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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/24/2017, 11:05 pm

Since none of my eggplant winter down seedlings are likely to be big enough to transplant by this week or next, I shall be buying some.  I was thinking maybe a black beauty and and Ichiban. Anybody grow these varieties? They are the only ones I've seen so far locally and my research is telling me they can get 4 feet tall and 3 feet wide! Yet the ANSFG boom says you can get by with 1 per square.  Can they really be that close together?  

Although one my my coworkers swears they are "social". That hers seen to grow best when they are planted close enough to touch another eggplant plant haha.

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Post  Turan on 5/25/2017, 12:42 am

Wow, I would love to see an eggplant grow that big!
Even when I lived in San Deigo and they were perennial in my garden they were only 3 feet tall. Here I am pleased if they get a couple feet tall and produce anything. I have not had much luck with them up here but keep trying.

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Post  Robbomb116 on 5/25/2017, 8:35 am

So a pretty optimistic size even for those in warm enough regions that they overwinter. Gotcha.  So I should be perfectly fine doing 1 per square and just keep my fingers crossed it is warm enough long enough to get something.

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 5/25/2017, 8:19 pm

I think my Black Beauty only got to about 2ft tall, if that, but there were mistakes on my part that could have stunted them. I checkerboard my eggplants with my peppers (1 plant per square). I'm also growing Astrakom because it's recommended for short seasons, and it's also a small plant - new one for me this year.
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Post  Robbomb116 Yesterday at 1:15 am

I might not  black beauty after all as a local greenhouse has one of the eggplant varieties I really wanted  try: Fairytale.   The only issue being that all the transplants they have for Fairytale already have flowers.  If I buy one should I pinch the flowers?  I plan on buying all my tranplants this weekend and start hardening off to plant next weekend.

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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt Yesterday at 7:36 am

I regularly nip off any flowers on transplants because I want the plants to focus their energy on recovering from the stress of transplanting by growing new roots. I want healthy plants so I don't want them to divert any energy to making fruit at that point. I figure a healthy plant will give me more vegetables in the long run, even if they take a little longer because it has to grow more flowers. Some plants will naturally drop their flowers when transplanted, others don't. I don't know which are which, so I just nip them off myself regardless.
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