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Post  MBroman on 3/31/2017, 11:55 am

This is my first year. My parents have done SFG for years so I do have a good resource I can turn to as needed.  Smile 

So far I have been learning:


  • My 8yr old son can assemble the cedar boxes by himself (yay for him!). 
  • The gardening powers made a mass decision to change my Zone from 5 to 6 - so I have to recalibrate my planting schedule...by tomorrow!
  • I have the feeling that strawberries are going to be the bane of my summer; forever trimming runners so they don't take over the box. 
  • The first year is expensive!  affraid
  • Ibuprofen is my friend.
  • I'm excited to grow HERBS.


Here's to a great 2017!
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 3/31/2017, 4:15 pm

Welcome to the forum MBroman!

The first year is expensive, but it averages out as you use the garden.

Herbs are awesome! They are flavorful, good for you, and a huge cost savings: At least where I'm at, the grocery sells fresh herbs in little bags for $2-3 each... at it works out to over $50/lb! I use herbs more than I used to because they are right outside the door, and 'free.' 

I have my perennial herbs (sage, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tarragon, and chives) permanently planted in separate beds, but mix the annuals (basil, marjoram, parsley, cilantro, and dill) into my SFG. If you like horseradish -y flavors, look into growing a nasturtium or two.
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Post  sanderson on 3/31/2017, 8:59 pm

Hi Broman, Welcome to the Forum from California! glad you\'re here I mentioned in your other post about All New Square Foot Gardening, no dirt, no tilling, same results.

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 3/31/2017, 9:15 pm

Hey Broman!  Welcome!  Sounds like you are off to a great start, what do you like to eat?  Ever garden before?  

So glad you found us, I would love it if you would check us out on N & C Midwest regional post, we share some weather, and schedules, veggies etc....

I will start an April thread tomorrow!   glad you\'re here
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Post  MBroman on 4/1/2017, 10:15 am

BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:I have my perennial herbs (sage, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tarragon, and chives) permanently planted in separate beds, but mix the annuals (basil, marjoram, parsley, cilantro, and dill) into my SFG. If you like horseradish -y flavors, look into growing a nasturtium or two.

I will have to consider traditional planting my perennial herbs - or maybe starting them in the SFG and then transplanting them somewhere more permanent in the fall. 

I've read that rosemary, thyme and mint can be difficult to start (and mint can be invasive) - so I'll have to give that some thought. 

I planted nasturtiums a few years back and they did very well. Started them indoors. Harvested the seeds and started again the following year direct-sow. A lot of fun to grow!
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Post  MBroman on 4/1/2017, 10:21 am

Scorpio Rising wrote:Hey Broman!  Welcome!  Sounds like you are off to a great start, what do you like to eat?  Ever garden before?  

So glad you found us, I would love it if you would check us out on N & C Midwest regional post, we share some weather, and schedules, veggies etc....

I will start an April thread tomorrow!   glad you\'re here

I grew up traditional gardening (so many weeds!). And then a few years back tried trellis in limited flower bed spaces (cukes and pumpkins) along with mixing in some cold weather crops (lettuce/spinach) and a few herbs along with tomatoes just to see what we could do. It was touch and go but fun. At the time I was taking a Master Gardener class so I started most things indoors from seeds and that was fun. 

Now, I'm on a new property and thought I'd give SFG a try - after hearing the rave reviews of my parents. 

I'm rather picky about veggies.  Embarassed
But...I have an 8yr old who loves to watch things grow and who loves to cook - this would be a great way to introduce him to fresh flavors. I let him pick out some seeds/veggies and was pleased to see him select things he normally doesn't like.  Yay, for him! 

I'll head over to N&C Midwest in a bit. Thanks for the invite.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 4/1/2017, 10:26 am

Glad to have ya!  Sounds like you are gonna have a fun summer, just remember to take detailed notes....I learned a lot that first year!  LOL!
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Post  sanderson on 4/1/2017, 4:14 pm

I expect to see your 8 year old on Junior Master Chef in a couple years, touting the subtle flavors of various veggies and herbs! Very Happy

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Post  bigdogrock on 4/1/2017, 4:19 pm

Welcome MBroman, good luck and have fun with your family in the garden!
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Post  MBroman on 4/1/2017, 4:49 pm

sanderson wrote:I expect to see your 8 year old on Junior Master Chef in a couple years, touting the subtle flavors of various veggies and herbs! Very Happy

How fun would that be?!
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Post  ralitaco on 4/7/2017, 11:32 pm

MB, I know I'm late, but welcome to the forum. I look forward to seeing your garden pictures (hint, hint, hint) Wink
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Post  MBroman on 4/9/2017, 10:08 am

Progress to date. 

My 8yr old loved putting the boxes together. Not sure why the photo is sideways. Hmmm...


My plotted out spaces - since my prefab boxes are not 48x48, I got creative.  They are 42x42. Boo.


Although nothing is up yet - critters have already been in the box. Squirrels, I think. And there is a family of rabbits that live nearby...so fencing went up yesterday. I don't like it aesthetically, but probably necessary.



Now it's time for ornamentals in my shade garden. Yay!
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Post  ralitaco on 4/9/2017, 11:59 am

Here you go! Did you take this with an iphone by any chance?




Love the boxes. The fence will work, but if you don't like the look, how about the cover that Mel shows in the ANSFG book?

Even though the boxes are only 42x42, I think you would be ok just dividing them up into 16 equal squares at 10.5"x10.5". The 1.5" you lose really won't matter that much...IMHO
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Post  sanderson on 4/9/2017, 6:12 pm

Love your pictures and little helper! I also have a 3.5' x 3.5' table top and I use the 6" x 12" extra spaces for radishes, leaf lettuce, bok choy, etc.

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Post  llama momma on 4/9/2017, 7:34 pm

Welcome MBroman from another Ohioan. Best wishes, the first year is so exciting.
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Post  MBroman on 4/9/2017, 9:54 pm

Thanks, ralitaco! - I did take the photo with my phone but it is not an iPhone. ??  I thought about doing 16's with smaller squares but opted otherwise. Maybe next year?  I considered a cover...wasn't sure what would happen once everything was up. Wouldn't the rabbits just mow my greens down?

Sanderson - I thought about putting lettuce in my 6" spaces. This year I put onions and carrots there. I checked today and the onions are just starting to poke their tips up. Yay!

llama momma - thank you. My son loves the books by Dewdney, by the way.
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Post  ralitaco on 4/9/2017, 11:16 pm

MBroman wrote:Thanks, ralitaco! - I did take the photo with my phone but it is not an iPhone. ??  I thought about doing 16's with smaller squares but opted otherwise. Maybe next year?  I considered a cover...wasn't sure what would happen once everything was up. Wouldn't the rabbits just mow my greens down?
I know iphones have a weird format and if the camera wasn't turned the right way they won't rotate. I just used some photo editing software and rotated it around.

The beauty of your beds, is you can do them how you like. I have 2 - 2'x8.5' beds and use the 6" sections for various things too. I have some onions and garlic in 2 right now. I like to put small things in there like you with the lettuce, carrots, etc.

I don't have many rabbits in my area so I don't know what they would do once you removed the cage for the taller plants. I know some people put forks in the soil, tines up, to keep out cats and such.
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 4/10/2017, 8:47 am

MBroman wrote:
BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:I have my perennial herbs (sage, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tarragon, and chives) permanently planted in separate beds, but mix the annuals (basil, marjoram, parsley, cilantro, and dill) into my SFG. If you like horseradish -y flavors, look into growing a nasturtium or two.

I will have to consider traditional planting my perennial herbs - or maybe starting them in the SFG and then transplanting them somewhere more permanent in the fall. 

I've read that rosemary, thyme and mint can be difficult to start (and mint can be invasive) - so I'll have to give that some thought. 

I planted nasturtiums a few years back and they did very well. Started them indoors. Harvested the seeds and started again the following year direct-sow. A lot of fun to grow!
My Arp rosemary is from a transplant. I've killed several: I haven't had success keeping them indoors over the winter (though I know it can be done) and I've killed several that I tried to winter outdoors. The one I have now survived its first winter under a 7-gallon bucket, and this winter inside a Wall'O'Water because it was too big to stuff into the bucket again. I'm not sure whether the others didn't survive because they were different varieties, or because of the polar vortex, or because of inexperienced care on my part. Rosemary has no problems overwintering in zone 7 - anything less starts to have a variable success rate; I'm on the zone 5b/6a border like you.

My thymes and mints were also purchased as transplants. The thyme has had no problems overwintering in the ground, and the ones I had in a strawberry jar in the garage over the winter are recovering well.

The mint I've had issues overwintering because I grow it in pots, because yes, it is invasive.

I'm happy to meet a fellow nasturtium-fan!
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Post  herblover on 4/10/2017, 11:44 am

MBroman wrote:
BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:I have my perennial herbs (sage, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tarragon, and chives) permanently planted in separate beds, but mix the annuals (basil, marjoram, parsley, cilantro, and dill) into my SFG. If you like horseradish -y flavors, look into growing a nasturtium or two.

I will have to consider traditional planting my perennial herbs - or maybe starting them in the SFG and then transplanting them somewhere more permanent in the fall. 

I've read that rosemary, thyme and mint can be difficult to start (and mint can be invasive) - so I'll have to give that some thought. 

I planted nasturtiums a few years back and they did very well. Started them indoors. Harvested the seeds and started again the following year direct-sow. A lot of fun to grow!

I have grown those for years, but have not started from seeds.  Rosemary is a tender perennial in our area (I am in central OH), so I treat it as an annual.  Mint is very invasive; I would not put it in my SFG; it will take over!  That goes in its own pot.
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Post  herblover on 4/10/2017, 12:44 pm

I tried to edit my previous message....but it won't let me.  I keep the covers on my boxes at all times.  They aren't complete, no tops, but its enough to keep the critters out.  In addition to rabbits; I have had possums, coons, skunks, and deer in my yard. They could probably knock it off balance if they tried, but that has never been an issue.  Without the covers, I would have no garden.
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Post  MBroman on 4/26/2017, 11:32 am

Sounds like my mint will have to go in a pot.

Not sure what to do with the rosemary.  Guess I'll just give it a try and just see what happens. Could also try it in a pot - just for grins (and comparison). 

Sounds like I'm stuck with the fencing, though.  

Hadn't thought about forks in the bed. That's creative - although, I'm pretty certain the squirrels I have would just dig them out. LOL
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 4/27/2017, 6:23 am

Hi MBroman. I'm a bit late, but here's a warm welcome from Atlanta, GA!

I'd DEFINITELY put the mint in a pot... And I do the same with rosemary. It can grow into a hedge, apparently, if you allow it to. I've got mine in an east-facing window. Seems to be quite happy there.

I didn't see your fence. But I'd also DEFINITELY suggest putting plastic down between the fence line & your boxes. I've got a terrible issue with grass, baby trees from the neighbors, etc. because I didn't do that...

Your helper is a cutie!

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Post  Banned Member on 4/27/2017, 10:05 am

Welcome aboard.  I have friends and family in Cinti.

Forget your 8-year old becoming a master chef.  Send him to Nashville immediately, because with his talent he can make 21 bucks an hour framing houses in this crazy market.  We have 100+ people moving here every day, and there is a big need for construction workers.  At 8, they might even make him the foreman.

Seriously, that's one incredible guy you have that can do what he does at his age.  I bet he will better understand why he should eat greens rather than sweets.

I also can tell that your son has one incredible mommy.  Have fun learning the ins and outs of square foot gardening.  I have both the old and new generations here, and to tell the truth, I enjoy working in the real dirt a bit more than working in my raised beds.  Getting real dirt on bare feet is therapeutic, as is making enough compost for the entire shebang.

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