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Post  Fiz on 6/26/2017, 7:48 pm

Well, after a string of thunderstorms the last couple of weeks and numerous watches and warnings, it finally happened. While I was at work, a hail storm attacked my garden and wreaked havoc on my plants. pale Fortunately, no damage to the tomato plants or fruit. Whew!

As I look at the damage, I wonder how bad it is and whether I need to do to anything to make sure I avoid any lasting effects like disease. Or is it mostly cosmetic damage (as the damaged plants does are quite mature) and I should just wait and see? Pics below, let me know what you guys think! I'm not sure how much leaf damage is too much. Trying to gauge what leaves I should remove. I don't want to overreact and set the plants back too much. Give it to me straight, don't sugar coat it, lol.

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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  llama momma on 6/26/2017, 7:50 pm

I wouldn't be concerned.
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Post  trolleydriver on 6/26/2017, 7:58 pm

Sorry to see the damage to your garden Fiz. We are expecting hail here in Ottawa as well.  In my opinion "it's just a flesh wound" and I expect your plants will recover. However, there are most likely other forum members who have experienced hail damage in their gardens and who can provide you with some real advice.


Quote: The quotation "it's just a flesh wound" is from the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It was spoken by the Black Knight after he received severe wounds in a fight with King Arthur.

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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  Fiz on 6/26/2017, 9:42 pm

I'm optimistic that they will be totally fine but I'll keep you guys posted!

And TD, I love Holy Grail. Have seen it more times than I can count, lol.
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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  AtlantaMarie on 6/27/2017, 6:13 am

You'd be surprised at how resiliant plants are. They'll be fine. And if nothing else, you can cut those leaves off...

I love Holy Grail too... :-)
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Post  Fiz on 6/27/2017, 7:44 am

Thanks all! I assumed they would probably be fine, I guess I'm more concerned that there's no end in sight for daily rain so I want to avoid fungus or other diseases entering the wounds. But I don't want to cut leaves off preemptively and risk reducing productivity, as they are mostly all at or getting to the fruiting stage.

This shows that gardening wouldn't be enjoyable if it was too easy, haha. The challenges make it rewarding! ;-)
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Post  Fiz on 6/28/2017, 7:32 pm

Hey all, here's an update on the plants post-hail storm. I'm noticing scar-like marks on all the leaves. See the pics below:





These definitely weren't there before as you can see from the previous pictures. Anyone know what might be going on? Perhaps just damage showing up after the fact or something's else?

Also, potentially unrelated, some of my lower corn leaves are yellowing and dying off. Not sure what is happening there either. Could it be all the rain? Nitrogen deficiency? I have no clue. :-( Link to pic below: 

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/28/2017, 9:06 pm

I think they look like they will be fine.  Corn will yellow in the presence of too much rain, but your MM should drain well, is there a water logging issue?  Might need a shot of nitrogen?

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Post  Fiz on 6/28/2017, 9:30 pm

Hey Scorpio! That corn is not in MM, it's in a container with potting mix. I think you are right about too much rain, although that potting mix dries out pretty fast, I'm guessing the rain has leeched the nitrogen out. I have been using a water soluable fertilizer that works quite well (10-15-10) but with all the raIn I haven't been watering (since I need to apply the fertilizer with water) so I guess the container must be depleted. I've got slow release fertilizer pellets that are 12-4-8 and also chicken manure pellets, but those I think have 4% nitrogen only. I'm guess the liquid fertilizer will likely be the fastest acting.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 6/29/2017, 8:18 am

"Scars" would be my guess... It almost looks like an old bruise...
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Post  yolos on 6/29/2017, 10:02 am

Fiz - Is that pot you used for the corn large enough.  Smaller pots require more frequent watering and therefore more loss of nutrients.  Corn requires much more nitrogen than almost any other vegetable that we grow in our home gardens.  So my thought is that the 10-15-10 formula is not weighted enough in the nitrogen.  

My son in law comes from a farming family that grew corn in south Georgia.  Although the SIL knows nothing about growing corn, his uncle (the farmer) was visiting the other day.  He said the initial fertilizer can be something like 10-10-10 but the two subsequent feedings should be something like 34-0-0.  Lots of nitrogen.  I usually do not use synthetic fertilizers but decided to use it on the corn beds because I have had failures in the past.  Also, I have southern blight in those beds and the only thing I can grow there is corn.  I doubt you could use this formulation in a pot but I wanted you to know how much nitrogen they require as they grow.  And I don't know how blood meal, alphala meal or other nitrogen rich organic fertilizers would work if used in containers.

I just pulled one of my corn plants up getting ready to clear the bed for a second planting of corn.  Here is a picture of the root system of my corn (Silver Queen).  I am assuming some of the root system was left in the ground but the part of the root ball that was pulled out of the ground measured 13 inches deep and 9 inches wide.  So I am wondering again if that pot is large enough.  Also, it looks like it could have been filled with much more soil.  Maybe your soil settled too much after you planted.

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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/29/2017, 11:13 am

yolos wrote:...his uncle (the farmer) was visiting the other day.  He said the initial fertilizer can be something like 10-10-10 but the two subsequent feedings should be something like 34-0-0.  Lots of nitrogen.  I usually do not use synthetic fertilizers but decided to use it on the corn beds because I have had failures in the past.  ...

Very good info, Yolos. I had no idea they were such heavy feeders.
Thanks for this.

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Post  Fiz on 6/29/2017, 3:53 pm

Agreed, thanks Yolos! My prior research before planting was that the pot size that I was using should be enough (it was recommended to use a 12 inch deep and 12 inch wide pot). I'll measure the soil depth when I get home, but I think it might have settled some with all the rain, you're probably right about that. I will add some more soil in there to top it up a bit.

I have more corn planted in my SFG, and I guess my logic was that if I have 7-8 inches there and the corn should be able to grow in that bed, then it should be okay in a 12 inch container. I guess this will be a good experiment to see if it grows okay or not! 

Regarding the fertilizer, that's definitely an eye opener! I'll have to grab some heavy nitrogen fertilizer then in that case. Thanks for the info! I was giving the corn the water soluble stuff every time I watered, so I figured it would be sufficient, and there's a YouTube gardener that I watch (MIGardener) who says that plants are capable of up-taking what they need from the soil regarding nutrients, so a balanced fertilizer is okay in most cases. Not sure how true that statement is based on what you're saying, but maybe this can be an experimental year for me and the container corn and I can see what ends up happening. More than likely I will end up with little cobs, or no cobs at all, lol.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/29/2017, 6:42 pm

Fiz wrote:Hey Scorpio! That corn is not in MM, it's in a container with potting mix. I think you are right about too much rain, although that potting mix dries out pretty fast, I'm guessing the rain has leeched the nitrogen out. I have been using a water soluable fertilizer that works quite well (10-15-10) but with all the raIn I haven't been watering (since I need to apply the fertilizer with water) so I guess the container must be depleted.  I've got slow release fertilizer pellets that are 12-4-8  and also chicken manure pellets, but those I think have 4% nitrogen only.  I'm guess the liquid fertilizer will likely be the fastest acting.
A nice and pure nitrogen organic amendment is blood meal, sprinkled on the top and raked in.  Agree what yolos added as well.  Corn is greedy.
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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  trolleydriver on 6/29/2017, 9:26 pm

Back to hail ...

Our son and his family live about 20 minutes (17 Km or 10.5 miles) by car from us. Yesterday they got hail but we did not. Here is a photo of their backyard deck and another photo of some of the hail collected in a bowl.


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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  Fiz on 6/29/2017, 10:22 pm

To quote Ron Burgandy, Knights of Columbus!


That is insane...
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Post  sanderson on 6/29/2017, 11:56 pm

Yolos,  I'm glad you posted the photo of the root area.  I thought I did not plant the seeds deep enough as I could see those higher lateral roots.  My husband said there were normal but your garden corn photo confirms what my husband said.

TD, Hail! Did the kids build a hail man?

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Re: Hail Damage (Pics) - Am I in Trouble?

Post  Fiz on 6/30/2017, 8:28 am

I also wondered if seeing those top roots was normal. I covered them yesterday with some new soil. Going to continue the corn discussion in the Growing Corn thread. :-)
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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/30/2017, 12:50 pm

Hail man! lol!

trolleydriver wrote:Back to hail ...

Our son and his family live about 20 minutes (17 Km or 10.5 miles) by car from us. Yesterday they got hail but we did not. Here is a photo of their backyard deck and another photo of some of the hail collected in a bowl.


Nauseating photos for summertime. Razz Looks too much like snow. New England has been getting hail here and there, but not at my house...yet.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/30/2017, 9:57 pm

Hail yeah!  lol!
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