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Post  camprn on 10/19/2010, 4:53 pm

I will have to look into the concrete wire stuff. i really wish I could afford one of these. She makes beautiful garden structures.

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Post  milaneyjane on 10/19/2010, 5:03 pm

I paid less than $20/per cattle panel when they were on sale. It really varies where in the US you are. I made mine about 6 feet tall and probably 4 feet wide. I bent it to the height I wanted and then was left with the width. I can walk through without hanging beans hitting my head, yet can reach everything for picking.

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Post  acara on 10/19/2010, 5:17 pm

@camprn wrote:I will have to look into the concrete wire stuff. i really wish I could afford one of these. She makes beautiful garden structures.

If I paid that much for an arbor that pretty, it sure as heck wouldn't be sitting outside ...LOL

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/19/2010, 6:07 pm

I tried growing tomatoes in Re-enforcement concrete wire cages to lower my contact with tomato plants since I am allergic and it worked great but I like single vines better.
Anyway-----I had bought several rolls of concrete re-enforcement wire. Dunno what the gauge is.
The roll was 100 feet long by 5 ft high for $120.00. Since then the cost has went up a pretty good bit and I bought it at Home Depot. Also since then---they started selling it in
short panels instead of long rolls. Bummer. It was cheaper by the roll and I have my own set of Bolt Cutters. Very Happy and they are easy to use. I have 30 3ft wide tomato cages. I plan on converting a few to this Arched Trellis project. I haven't started on it yet cause I been working on tomatoes All Day. But I been thinking about it.


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Post  Furbalsmom on 10/19/2010, 6:08 pm

Here is an .ARBOR BLOG with instructions for making the arbor with wire fencing (but she did not specify the type) using 8 foot T posts. The blog include narrative and photos of making the arbor as well as how she is growing Pumpkins on it.
Sounds similar to what milaneyjane did, but she put it between two raised beds and in front of a gate. She had pumpkins growin in both raised beds.
Gonna try this I think. Of course I want to try everything happy2

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/19/2010, 6:32 pm

I'm with you Furbalsmom. That is an excellent blog===cause it gives me hope and more excited now than ever. drooling
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Oh my gosh. There is no telling how many arched trellises I will end up with now. hyper


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Post  acara on 10/19/2010, 7:47 pm

@CarolynPhillips wrote:I tried growing tomatoes in Re-enforcement concrete wire cages to lower my contact with tomato plants since I am allergic and it worked great but I like single vines better.
Anyway-----I had bought several rolls of concrete re-enforcement wire. Dunno what the gauge is.
The roll was 100 feet long by 5 ft high for $120.00. Since then the cost has went up a pretty good bit and I bought it at Home Depot. Also since then---they started selling it in
short panels instead of long rolls. Bummer. It was cheaper by the roll and I have my own set of Bolt Cutters. Very Happy and they are easy to use. I have 30 3ft wide tomato cages. I plan on converting a few to this Arched Trellis project. I haven't started on it yet cause I been working on tomatoes All Day. But I been thinking about it.


If it's in a roll its probably;

2/2, 10/10 (2" mesh, 10 gauge (.135 wire)

or

4/4, 10/10 (4" mesh, 10 gauge)

or

6/6, 10/10 (6" mesh, 10 gauge)

Those three are "market grade" for the industry & account for probably 90% of whats out there.

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Post  milaneyjane on 10/20/2010, 2:41 am

I don't know about the the concrete metal, but with cattle panels the construction is a breeze.

1) I did a test run with the help of a neighbor bending one of the cattle panels and putting it where I wanted it, measuring how far apart the two side were when I had it at the "right" height. And I don't know if bend is the right word since it goes right back to flat.

2)I pounded in Tstakes on one side. Then I put the cattle panel on the inside of the Tposts, bent it, and while I held it, my neighbor hammered in the other tstakes on the other side. Because the cattle panel does not have a lot of give and also because it is flat (not rolled up) it is very strong. Once the tstakes are hammered in it will stay in place just being sandwiched between the posts. I chose to use clear zip strips to attach the cattle panel and the stakes. I will replace them with wire this fall.

3) For the next panel arch I left about 6 inches between arches to allow for movement and slope (a must). I went ahead and hammered in the stakes in the same manner.

4) Repeat as necessary.

The installation would work the same in boxes. I would have loved to have used boxes underneath, but since I was out of $$$ and had the garden space I just placed it on the ground.

The frames are still very sturdy thanks to the tposts. My tposts look more like rebar with the t on the end but work very well. They were a LOT cheaper than Tposts. I think I paid $1/piece at a farm supply store..

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Post  milaneyjane on 10/20/2010, 2:52 am

Here are pictures right after I put them up. Whether you use cattle panel or the construction metal, big squares are ideal if you want the fruit/veges to hang down inside the arch for easy picking. Otherwise they will grow on top of the trellis.




You can see the spaces between arches


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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/20/2010, 10:59 am

I have the 6" mesh concrete wire. It is very sturdy. I am sure they are not as sturdy as the cattle panels and can't wait to find one. I use the concrete wire to make
mini greenhouses over the garden beds too. I will check the local Tractor Supply and see
if they carry the Cattle panels for future projects.
I don't have the link.... but I saw how someone made a huge long greenhouse using the cattle panels-------that was very interesting... Then I saw a few small greenhouses made from the cattle panels. they just built wood frame walls at the end and a little door way and attached the hooped cattle panels to the frame. they were so cute.

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/23/2010, 5:50 pm

Well, It's not the prettiest Arched Trellis in the world but I'm sure it will work just fine.
We still have to put the wire on it and I haven't decided if I am goin to paint it or not.


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Post  Furbalsmom on 10/23/2010, 7:27 pm

Looks good! What size is your arbor and what angles did you use for the three top pieces that create the arch on the front and back? Inquiring minds want to know (so they can copy you) Are the posts and arches 4 X 4's and the cross bars on top 2 X 4's? I would have to make mine with scrap lumber so mine would probably look better if it were painted. Besides, I have this thing for really bright colors.

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Post  Chopper on 10/23/2010, 7:47 pm

Those zip ties in the arch pictures have become one of my favorite garden must-haves. I love your arch Carolyn. And all of the arches.

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/24/2010, 12:22 am

The angle cuts were 22 1/2 degree
We used landscape timbers for the main frame.
The size of the arbor ended up being :
55 1/2 inches from inside to inside of the landscape timbers =this measurement would be needed to copy. This was the walk through area.
The other measurement which is not needed cause you will make yours as long as you need it is 42 " outside to outside.
The two side timbers at the top were 23 1/2 inches at the longest point.
The very top timber was 26 1/2 inches at the longest point.
These measurements will not come out the same for you if you use 4x4s or like many times---lumber companies have different size timbers in stock.
The cross supports are 2x4s

We used scrap lumber and scrap timbers---- we did buy the 4 corner timbers new

I can tell you how hubby figured out how long those three upper cut angles had to be.
He did not use engineering mathematics.
He took the 8ft timber and cut the 22 1/2 degree angle at the 6ft mark.
then he took what was left over out of that timber and cut the other end at 22 1/2 angle without cutting any length off of it.
He did the other post the same way.
Then he screwed those two short pieces in place. He did both sides------then he measured the center to see how long they had to be then cut other timber to fit with the same 22 1/2 degree angle.
BUT== keep in mind that my post are on ground level and were concreted into the raised cinder block beds-----they were not set below ground level. so==some how you have to figure out the difference if you are putting yours in the ground.
I do hope all this makes since.===putting it in writing makes it a little difficult since I am not sure what words to use.

thank you very much---it was not a hard project--I thought hubby would end up wasting a lot of lumber trying to figure it out but he did pretty good considering hes not a certified carpenter. I drew out on graph paper what I wanted according to my space and he just made it. (me= "go getter" )

I hope you have fun building you one and you must come back and share it with us.

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Post  acara on 10/24/2010, 7:12 am

@CarolynPhillips wrote:Well, It's not the prettiest Arched Trellis in the world but I'm sure it will work just fine.
We still have to put the wire on it and I haven't decided if I am goin to paint it or not.


Wow ... that wasn't what I was thinking when you said "arbor" ..... that's either a very small piece of equipment, or a HUGE arbor.

Heck .... no worries as to "what can I grow on my arbor" ....... that thing looks like you could have a watermelon forest hanging from it with no worries.

Very nice

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Post  Old Hippie on 10/24/2010, 12:41 pm

Carolyn, you and your DH absolutely amaze me. When you guys decide you are doing something you just go out there and DO it!!! You talked about an arbour and now you have one only a few days later!!! I am in awe.

My DH is a very smart and talented guy. And he can build or fix anything. I love him dearly and appreciate how talented his is. But before he can build even the smallest thing, he has to research the project. Next he will make a scale drawing of it on autocad, indicating sizes of lumber, angles, lag bolts and a site plan showing how it is attached to the house, garage or shed or it's location in the yard if it is free standing. He will also calculate snow loads and do a 3-D rendering with shading, indicating shadows and prevailing winds. From this he develops a materials list and begins to gather supplies. Of course, that involves finding cheap if not free sources which can take some time. When the project is finally complete months and sometimes years have passed since the original idea was hatched. It will be a work of art and have all kinds of fancy joinery. It will withstand all manner of freaks storms of nature and everyone will tell me how lucky I am to have someone who can build such wonderful stuff........and I know I am but.....can't we just get out there and MAKE a thing??????

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 10/25/2010, 9:17 am

thank you everyone.
Acara--considering your occupation===I really appreciated your comments.

and LOL GK. I do all the research, planning, graphing, supply list and hubby does the building while I supervise and fetch. I love graph paper.

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I have so many projects going on right now that I can hardly see straight.
Behind the Arbor are two more grow beds----narrow---for spring tomato trellis Wall. I think the back pasture is ugly not to mention the giant burn hole where my previous mobile resides and unable to burn finish burning it cause we have been under a Fire Alert for the past 2 months. (no rain til last night)
Then behind those beds will be a greenhouse----that we had to move from a
rainy weather flooding area. Explanation: When we first moved here 5 years ago this Jan, we built and installed a greenhouse right away so I could get my seeds goin for spring sales. We did not realize that location flooded during heavy long rains. I haven't used that greenhouse in 2 years. We had built a Sunroom and Greenhouse Seed house (it was huge) on the back of our previous mobile home-----now that it is gone---I been putting my raised beds in the back yard cause they were also in a flooding zone and have room to move the 12x40 Seedling house back there too. Greenhouses====thats another topic cause it will have redneck style side curtains for ventilation.
(when i start blabbering on---its a chain reaction that never ends)

I like this arbor so well-----I want more around my miniature garden court yard.
Time is on my side but my side is impatient.

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Post  Aub on 10/25/2010, 9:06 pm

I just decided to make my arbors out of cattle panels. My SFG's are 4x8 and 3 feet apart. I'm going to put the panels over the walkway and have everything growing over it. Then I can just skip down the walkway and pluck my veggies from the air! I have the whole thing planned out, it's going to be fantastic, I can't wait!!!

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Pergola Dreams

Post  camprn on 10/30/2010, 7:22 pm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to-plans/pergola/3352816



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Post  CarolynPhillips on 2/20/2011, 6:07 pm

Diggin up this old topic and adding to it.

6 more weeks til time to plant my melons on the arched trellis. Impatiently waiting.
I obtained some free 2x6s and bought some landscape timbers and added long trellises to my Arbor=Arched Trellis. Still not sure what to call it. I also extended one of the beds of the arched trellis to give me more trellis room.
I will grow tomatoes on the long trellises this year.

I am satisfied with it. Wish I had more. I had fun building it.=====well, I mixed the concrete and set my landscape timbers. Hubby used the nail gun to attach the 2x6s while I held them up. So , I did have some help.



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Post  CarolynPhillips on 2/20/2011, 6:28 pm

another view.



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Post  quiltbea on 2/20/2011, 6:52 pm

CArolyn,
I love your high beds. That would be great for my old back.

Lookin' good!

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 2/20/2011, 7:06 pm

I sit on the blocks to plant and maintain. I don't have an Old back yet but have had arthritis in my back for 11 years now. Arthritis in my knees for 20 years---I have it everywhere along with Fibromyalgia. The combination of the two is a killer so I been trying to make my gardens easier on my back and knees. Just building and making those concrete beds stiffened my entire body but the outcome is worth it.

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Post  quiltbea on 2/20/2011, 7:24 pm

I can see me sitting on the blocks and smiling ear to ear.

Someone on the forum mentioned buying them when they could afford them.
I think I'll buy concrete blocks whenever I have a few extra dollars. After a year, I might have enough for one bed. One bed a year for awhile is OK. At least its better than none at all.

By the time my wood rots and I need new beds, I'll have enough concrete to build a couple.

What is the width of yours with the 3 blocks, Carolyn?

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Post  CarolynPhillips on 2/20/2011, 8:53 pm

the blocks are 8inch x 16inch. the width of 3 blocks equals 4 ft.
It takes 10 blocks to make a 4'x4' bed.
Down here the blocks cost about $1.38 at Home Depot right now.

With tax---a bed 4x4 and three blocks high would cost about $45 not counting
the soil.
one block high---$15
Could always start out with one level and build it up each year.

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