Square Foot Gardening Forum

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Mid-South: December 2016
by sanderson Today at 3:39 am

» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing December 2016
by sanderson Today at 3:35 am

» 1st Seed Catalog Arrived :)
by sanderson Today at 3:30 am

» First season SFG results / lessons learned
by sanderson Today at 2:57 am

» Eat Broccoli Leaves? Brussels Sprouts? Cauliflower?
by sanderson Today at 2:55 am

» Winter's Coming!
by sanderson Today at 2:53 am

» Dry versus fresh spices to infuse vinegar
by sanderson Today at 2:50 am

» N&C Midwest: December 2016
by sanderson Today at 2:34 am

» New Member
by sanderson Today at 2:30 am

» Live and learn
by sanderson Today at 1:34 am

» 2016 SFG in Brooks, Ga
by sanderson Today at 1:28 am

» New England, December 2016
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 6:37 pm

» December 2016 Avatar: Show your Winter Season Colors!
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 6:03 pm

» Holy snow Batman!
by sanderson Yesterday at 5:46 pm

» Senseless Banter...
by MrBooker Yesterday at 5:17 pm

» Blanching and Freezing Vegetables
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:59 pm

» Your Christmas wish list?
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:29 pm

» SFG Adventure of a first time gardener in ND
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:14 pm

» Mid-Atl - Dec 2016 - Seed Catalog ?
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:12 pm

» TrolleyDriver's Compost Thermometer
by Kelejan Yesterday at 4:08 pm

» Second Year SFG in Canada
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 2:59 pm

» Fusion Life Brands Power XL pressure cooker
by CapeCoddess Yesterday at 2:39 pm

» Asia Region -Showcase of Gardens - Show Us Yours
by sanderson Yesterday at 2:14 pm

» December: What to plant in Northern California and Central Valley areas
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 1:13 pm

» Gardening in Central Pennsylvania
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 12:52 pm

» Winter Gardens - Photos
by sanderson Yesterday at 3:55 am

» Log In
by trolleydriver 12/1/2016, 5:23 pm

» Gnome Pumpkin Pie
by countrynaturals 12/1/2016, 1:22 pm

» Northern California & Coastal Valleys - What are you doing this month?
by countrynaturals 12/1/2016, 12:05 pm

» Greenhouse dreams
by trolleydriver 11/30/2016, 11:18 am

Google

Search SFG Forum

Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  lisaphoto on 3/19/2010, 1:38 pm

I have seen a couple of people on here say they put down cardboard or newspaper instead of the weed cloth. I have a couple of questions:

1)can you do that directly over existing grass
2) Does it have to be one large piece, or can it be multiple pieces overlapping
3) Will this really keep the weeds out for ever?

lisaphoto

Female Posts : 361
Join date : 2010-03-04
Age : 35
Location : Lebanon, Ohio (near Cincinnati)

View user profile http://www.MomentsToRememberPhotography.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Patty from Yorktown on 3/19/2010, 2:36 pm

Hi,
I have used both weed cloth and cardboard/newspaper. All three options work and over time all three options will get weeds. I find the weeds easier to remove from newspaper or cardboard. Yes you can put cardboard and newspaper over grass. It will kill the grass. No it does not need to be a single sheet. I wet a small stack of newspaper and spread it, before I put down mulch. It lasts about two years You can use printed newspaper, just not the glossy stuff. I put the cardboard printed side down. It turns into compost eventually. Hope this helps.

Patty from Yorktown

Patty from Yorktown

Posts : 350
Join date : 2010-03-05
Location : Yorktown, Virginia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Theresa on 3/19/2010, 8:17 pm

I used several layers of wet newspapers on top of the grass where I put my SFGs. I had my husband take the weed eater and cut the grass very low to the ground before I put the wet newspapers down. I've not had any weeds come up from under the SFG, once in a while one may pop up from a seed that has blown over into the garden.

I did read where someone used a heavy cardboard, and it didn't allow for proper drainage so they had to poke holes into the cardboard for drainage.

I'm sure the weed barrier works well, but just never used it myself.

Theresa

FOUNDER SFG forum 2009

certified SFG instructor

Female Posts : 211
Join date : 2010-02-26
Age : 62
Location : Illinois Z6

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  timwardell on 3/19/2010, 9:25 pm

@lisaphoto wrote:I have seen a couple of people on here say they put down cardboard or newspaper instead of the weed cloth. I have a couple of questions:
1)can you do that directly over existing grass
2) Does it have to be one large piece, or can it be multiple pieces overlapping
3) Will this really keep the weeds out for ever?
1) Yes, you can do it directly over the grass. Though, as has already been suggested, it helps to mow it very low first or scalp it with a weedeater, or - even better - do it in late winter or early spring while the grass is still dormant (if it's the dormant type).
2) I can be multiple pieces of cardboard and/or newspaper overlapping.
3) Yes, it will keep the weeds out if you put it on thick enough. One or two pages of newspaper won't cut it. By the time the newspaper and/or cardboard rots it will have smothered and killed the grass. The material then becomes compost - as does the now dead weeds & grass.
I'm in Texas and the lawn was sodded with bermuda grass - very invasive stuff. I put down newspaper 20 pages thick then covered that with weed cloth stapled to the inside of my boxes. This was the only option as I've seen bermuda grass send runners up, through, and around weed barriers in the past. By using newspaper in late winter I greatly increased my chances of taking out the grass. It worked and I haven't had any grass or weeds in those beds except what has blown in on the wind.

timwardell

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 778
Join date : 2010-03-02
Location : Frisco, Texas

View user profile http://www.timwardell.com/

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  buttaflie143 on 4/22/2011, 6:21 pm

[quote="Theresa"]
I did read where someone used a heavy cardboard, and it didn't allow for proper drainage so they had to poke holes into the cardboard for drainage. [quote]

Uh oh ...I used cardboard moving boxes (is this considered to be heavy cardboard?). Should I have poked holes in them? How will I know if I am not getting proper drainage?

buttaflie143

Posts : 356
Join date : 2011-04-07
Location : Raleigh, NC - EST

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Old Hippie on 4/22/2011, 6:49 pm

Buttaflie, I have never worried about drainage with cardboard or newspaper. It just rots and composts. If it has a plastic or vinyl coating on it, that is a different story. But even waxed cardboard decomposes beautifully. It just takes a bit longer than regular cardboard.

Gwynn

Old Hippie
Regional Hosts

Female Posts : 1156
Join date : 2010-08-12
Age : 65
Location : Canada 3b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  elliephant on 4/22/2011, 6:49 pm

@buttaflie143 wrote:
Uh oh ...I used cardboard moving boxes (is this considered to be heavy cardboard?). Should I have poked holes in them? How will I know if I am not getting proper drainage?

I've used a couple of layers of moving boxes without any drainage problems (in addition to weedblock). I bet you'll be fine.

elliephant

Female Posts : 842
Join date : 2010-04-09
Age : 41
Location : southern tip of Texas zone 9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  boffer on 4/22/2011, 6:51 pm

LOL You've really been gravedigging, buttaflie!

Learning to hydrate your MM properly is a matter of experience. Every box set-up is a little different. If you put water in the top and see it coming out the bottom somewhere, that is a good thing. It doesn't mean you've watered properly, it means you have good drainage. Having good drainage means that you don't have to worry about over-watering.

If you feel like you are watering and watering but no water is escaping out the bottom, then your weed barrier (whatever type you're using) has created a dam, or you have very sandy soil.

See if this can fit in with your planting plan: Leave a square empty for a while; water it just like you do your other squares that are planted. Every few days, use that square to reach to the bottom of the box to see how thoroughly you are watering. (The ol' finger test in the top one or two inches of MM doesn't help much.) The bottom shouldn't be soggy.


boffer

Male Posts : 7392
Join date : 2010-02-26
Age : 63
Location : yelm, wa, usa

View user profile http://boffer.us/

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Furbalsmom on 4/22/2011, 7:41 pm

Buttaflie wrote:Uh oh ...I used cardboard moving boxes (is this considered to be heavy cardboard?). Should I have poked holes in them? How will I know if I am not getting proper drainage?

If you find that the Mel's Mix is not draining properly, you could always take a philips head screw driver (kind of star shaped pointy screwdriver ) and poke holes through the Mels' Mix then through the cardboard into the dirt underneath your SFG bed. I think you said that you had dug up the weeds from an exisiting bed, then placed your SFG on top of that bed.

Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 69
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  buttaflie143 on 4/22/2011, 9:18 pm

Yes, I dug it up and turned the soil over. But I still wanted to make sure the existing soil was weed free so I covered it. Overkill?

buttaflie143

Posts : 356
Join date : 2011-04-07
Location : Raleigh, NC - EST

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Furbalsmom on 4/23/2011, 12:52 am

Not overkill at all. I had such a problem with weeds in my old style amended soil garden, I ended up losing a lot of produce to the weeds because I could not keep up. I would do whatever it takes to keep out the weeds.

Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 69
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Cardboard instead of weed cloth?

Post  Sponsored content Today at 6:40 am


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum