Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Texas Dream garden 2017
by Kelejan Today at 12:50 am

» Watering
by Kelejan Today at 12:47 am

» Question About Strawberries
by Kelejan Today at 12:35 am

» CANADIAN REGION: What are you doing in JUNE 2017
by Kelejan Today at 12:28 am

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by RC3291 Today at 12:06 am

» 2017 corn pictures
by countrynaturals Today at 12:02 am

» A really, really Frugal Gardener
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 11:59 pm

» Cinnamon, Fungus, and Gnats
by Turan Yesterday at 11:28 pm

» Amaranth
by sanderson Yesterday at 11:24 pm

» Poppy seeds - Hungarian Blue Breadseed
by trolleydriver Yesterday at 8:08 pm

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 7:42 pm

» Third Year SFG in Canada
by Fiz Yesterday at 7:31 pm

» New England June 2017
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 7:30 pm

» N & C Midwest--It is JUNE!!!! Garden Time!
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 7:26 pm

» Three Sisters Square Foot garden
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 7:24 pm

» 2017: First full year of SFGing in ND
by Robbomb116 Yesterday at 5:34 pm

» What to Grow through Very Hot Summers
by countrynaturals Yesterday at 5:08 pm

» TrolleyDriver's Compost Thermometer
by CapeCoddess Yesterday at 3:17 pm

» Trellis
by newbeone Yesterday at 1:31 pm

» Does the SFG concept work for perennials?
by LynnF Yesterday at 1:05 pm

» Baby Food
by CapeCoddess Yesterday at 12:58 pm

» Pepper argument who's right
by CapeCoddess Yesterday at 10:35 am

» Big Bug ?
by sanderson Yesterday at 3:12 am

» 2017 SFG in Brooks, Ga
by sanderson Yesterday at 1:07 am

» New squash in a hurry
by RC3291 6/22/2017, 11:09 pm

» Buzz Pollinators
by yolos 6/22/2017, 9:29 pm

» AtlantaMarie's Garden
by AtlantaMarie 6/22/2017, 7:15 pm

» Tomato - Snow Fairy
by quiltbea 6/22/2017, 6:11 pm

» Fall Planting
by newbeone 6/22/2017, 5:26 pm

» Jaffa's garden - year one
by sanderson 6/22/2017, 2:14 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

Trellis Help

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Trellis Help

Post  a0628h0427 on 3/6/2011, 10:04 pm

Hello everyone,

I've been square foot gardening for about 2 years now, but I'm new to these forums, so please forgive if this is a question that's been posted before.

My mother has asked me to help get her started with SFG. Her yard has about 4 inches of topsoil on top of a very hard, rocky caliche substrate. I'm concerned that I won't be able to drive rebar far enough into the ground to provide stability for a trellis system.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Any alternate and inexpensive ways of constructing a trellis?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cody Gregg
avatar
a0628h0427

Male Posts : 22
Join date : 2011-03-06
Location : McAllen, TX -- Zone 9b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  boffer on 3/6/2011, 10:22 pm

Hi and welcome to the forum. I had to look at the map; you can't get much farther south in Texas than where you are!

I would fasten vertical 2×2's to the box as tall as you want the trellis; then a horizontal piece connecting the two at the top. I would put a brace, about 24 inches long, at a 45* angle between the vertical and the box.



avatar
boffer

Male Posts : 7392
Join date : 2010-02-26
Age : 64
Location : yelm, wa, usa

View user profile http://boffer.us/

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  Blackrose on 3/6/2011, 10:37 pm

Hi Cody and to the forum!

My suggestion would be to drive the rebar as far into the ground as you can and then attach the trellis to the raised bed with a pipe strap. I found them on homedepot.ca as EMT Straps: http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=909988&Ntt=909988&catalogId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchall&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber

I hope this helps.
avatar
Blackrose

Female Posts : 710
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 43
Location : Aurora, Ontario, Zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  a0628h0427 on 3/6/2011, 10:51 pm

Thanks, Boffer. That's a good idea. If she decides to use wood to frame the box, I think I'll do something like this. If she decides to use brick, though.... I'm kind of stuck on that one... :?:
avatar
a0628h0427

Male Posts : 22
Join date : 2011-03-06
Location : McAllen, TX -- Zone 9b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  a0628h0427 on 3/6/2011, 10:54 pm

Thank you, Blackrose. I'm sure I'll be posting many more questions!!!!

I think that will work if I can get the rebar at least a foot or two down... I found those at Home Depot and am using them right now on a trellis I built in the corner of my yard using the fence frame as support.
avatar
a0628h0427

Male Posts : 22
Join date : 2011-03-06
Location : McAllen, TX -- Zone 9b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  quiltbea on 3/6/2011, 11:31 pm

You could screw pipeclamps into the sides of the raised bed and fit the trellis piping/bars down thru the clamp into the ground. Tighten and it'll be solid.

Like they do for the hoop houses.
avatar
quiltbea

Female Posts : 4674
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 75
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  elliephant on 3/6/2011, 11:53 pm

Almost all of my boxes are 2 by Xs along the fence and I just have my rebar pounded in about a foot (actually, just pushed by hand through the sand, lol) and I have the trellis poles (PVC for most of mine) tied with yarn to the fence behind them. I just replace the yarn every few months to be safe but I've actually never had any of it break! Laughing

Here's what did happen last summer. I had 6 tomato plants in this 2 by 8 box. Here it is in mid May before we went on vacation.



Now, here's about 2 weeks later, when we came back. I had a friend come over and water it while we were gone, but that's all she did (only picked one tomato...they were falling off and rotting on the ground!).



As you can see, it's the trellis netting that broke, but even though the 10 foot PVC pipe span at the top bent, it didn't break. The vertical supports did just fine...you can see the yarn holding them to the fence in the second pic.

Hmmm....looking at these pictures reminds me that I really need to stay on top of the pruning this year...tomato plants look so cute and harmless when they are putting out their first flowering branches like mine are right now. Add to that the vining squash...shoot, I think may have overfilled my boxes again!

to the forum! It's great to have someone else who knows that Texas goes ALLLLLLLLL the way down here!

elliephant

Female Posts : 842
Join date : 2010-04-09
Age : 41
Location : southern tip of Texas zone 9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  a0628h0427 on 3/7/2011, 12:09 am

Did you actually get any tomatoes last year after about May? It got so hot that mine simply stopped setting fruit. Maybe it was the variety..... I think I bought them at Waugh's.
avatar
a0628h0427

Male Posts : 22
Join date : 2011-03-06
Location : McAllen, TX -- Zone 9b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  elliephant on 3/7/2011, 12:18 am

I ripped them out shortly after that, but took cuttings from 2 plants that I rooted indoors and babied in pots over the summer, then replanted in August for early fall tomatoes. One of them was Juliet, which I think would have produced most of the summer, given how it did in the heat we had this past September and October. Last year I just picked random plants from the big box stores...this year I've picked specific varieties that I started from seed around the first of the year...we'll see if I have any better luck. Southern Exposure Seed Exchange can be quite persuasive (seductive) in their "thrives in the summer heat" claims...I've got 13 varieties planted Rolling Eyes this year.

elliephant

Female Posts : 842
Join date : 2010-04-09
Age : 41
Location : southern tip of Texas zone 9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  Odd Duck on 3/7/2011, 2:39 pm

I think if you can get the rebar in the ground at all, you're good. Hard ground should hold very well if you can get the rebar in place. Soft ground is far more likely to tip over and you have to get your rebar much deeper in softer ground. If in doubt, use the pipe straps up higher and the rebar will stabilize the bottom end. I, personally, like 1/2" electrical conduit and did some end supports because I'm pushing the pipe (no rebar, just the pipe) straight into very soft soil mix.

Here's my pictures:
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t5254p45-hoop-house-issuehow-to-solve-please

You could do an angle brace if you don't feel the rebar/pipe trellis is strong/stable enough after you build it. You don't need to be able to hang from it (I nearly can on mine Cool ), but it needs to be strong enough for whatever you might rotate into that spot. For instance, tomatoes really don't need conduit strength, but melons or squash will, so I overbuilt a bit on each so I don't have to move trellises, anymore.

Odd Duck

Female Posts : 327
Join date : 2010-03-08
Age : 55
Location : DFW, TX, Zone 7b/8a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  camprn on 3/7/2011, 5:02 pm

Wire Trellis

Previous thread about trellis


in the previous thread I describe what I came up with as I have a similar situation as your Mother does with the ground. The U fence post and conduit worked fine!
avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14165
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 54
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  madnicmom on 3/8/2011, 12:43 pm

Thanks for this thread. I too have hard ground, if you want to call it that. I had my house built on an old corn field, they removed the topsoil bofore spraying grass seed. I tried "row gardening" and needless to say, that is why I'm a raised garden person now. The boulder's we found with the tiller were monsterous. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to get the rebar in the ground either. I was thinking about getting some sort of bracket to screw into the frame at the top of the bed and midway down to give it some support. We don't get alot of high winds around here. What do you all think?
avatar
madnicmom

Female Posts : 567
Join date : 2011-01-26
Age : 47
Location : zone 6, North of Cincinnati

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  BackyardBirdGardner on 3/8/2011, 12:56 pm

I would suggest some form of A-frame with a third support leg. There is a pic of one in camprn's link. At first, you would think it would take up more space, but there's nothing requiring all legs of the A-frame to be inside the bed. Seems to me there would be no pounding required and you wouldn't need deep soil, either.
avatar
BackyardBirdGardner

Male Posts : 2727
Join date : 2010-12-25
Age : 43
Location : St. Louis, MO

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  Lavender Debs on 3/8/2011, 1:22 pm


I have not read this whole thread yet. Maybe you already have got an idea that will work for you. I saw something like this on the board last year, my husband made two of them for me. The upright boards are 2"x4"x6'. They are bolted to the box with two lag bolts each. He predrilled matching holes for the tubing (aluminum conduit, I think it is 3/4"x8'...cut in half for this box.) The conduit just slides through the holes and rests where we leave it. I had him make the top tube longer so I could hang a pot from it.

It held 4 heavy 6'+ tomatoes and the pot without complaint or movement. No rebar involved. Foliage gets very heavy with rain water in the PNW. This year I have peas planted where the tomatoes were last year. I plan to run jute from the gird to the top tube and back down to the base for the peas to grow up. (Thank you Camprn) I am confident that it will not sag.

Ray has told me that he can move it to another box if I want or he can make more. They are rather inexpensive as far as SFG stuff goes and apparently will be easy to undo and put back up again.

When I am working under the trellis in Spring I slide the bottom rung out so it isn't in my way than put it back when I'm done.

Good hunting as you look for something that will work for you.
avatar
Lavender Debs

Posts : 2054
Join date : 2010-03-03
Age : 60
Location : Everett, WA USA

View user profile http://songs-of-coming-rain.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Re: Trellis Help

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum