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Post  WolfHeart on 4/1/2011, 11:19 am

Hi all,

I have finally sat down and worked out what and were we want to plant everything. I would love you input on placement of everything. I am wondering if there are any hidden pitfalls in what I am growing or where it is located. Thanks for any input you might have.



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Post  ashort on 4/1/2011, 11:43 am

Two things right off... I would put the rosemary in a container since it is a perennial. Two plants maybe a bit much of it unless you really, really, like rosemary...

Second, you need to define where your trellises are going to be... I see vining plants and pole beans on the north edge of the boxes, but the Brussel sprouts and peas will need support as well...
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Post  WolfHeart on 4/1/2011, 12:12 pm

Ashort, Thanks for the info. I rearranged the blocks around. and will get a few more buckets.





Ok Ready for round two Very Happy
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Post  FarmerValerie on 4/1/2011, 12:21 pm

Ditto on the rosemary, I'm in NE TX, zone 8a, and my rosemary is 4 years old and looks more like a small shrub. My parsley survives the winter, and comes back hardier every year, I've heard of some in Utah having the same experience. They, and I replace it every 3 years, it's time for me to replace mine. You may not need to if you use it all, but just something to file away for use later.
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Post  dizzygardener on 4/1/2011, 1:06 pm

I'm wondering about your pepper placement. We just had a topic on this. There were some conflicting reports, but it is possible that your hot peppers and bell peppers will cross-pollinate and result in your hot peppers not being so hot and vice versa.

To be on the safe side you might consider moving your hot peppers to your other box. Otherwise, your plan looks great!

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Post  quiltbea on 4/1/2011, 1:12 pm

Those peas in the right rows, are they rare bush peas?
If they are vining peas, they are going to need about 6 feet of trellis and having trellis on the east side will shade the rest of your garden.

Since you plan a trellis system along the north side for your the pole beans, I'd put the peas there also.
The tomatoes can grow with cages or staking if necessary but put them on the west side where you have the sweet peppers. They can get pretty tall, too. In my experience, much taller than peppers.

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Post  WolfHeart on 4/1/2011, 1:40 pm

Thank you all for the great input! I really appreciate all the help. cheers
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Post  pattipan on 4/1/2011, 5:14 pm

I can vouch for the advice given on rosemary. I have one in a pot that I started last spring (filled w/ Mel's Mix, of course). I brought it indoors for the winter (along with a pot of thyme) and both are doing fine. The rosemary looks like a small tree right now, a little over a foot tall. I've used trimmings from it all winter and there is still enough for myself and the neighbors! I'm going transplant it to a bigger pot when it's warmer. I'm curious to see how large it will grow! The thyme looks a little puny, I think it needs some serious sunshine, but it's still growing! Those are my two most-used herbs.

I have Italian parsley in a SFG box next to the back door. It's starting to come up now. Last fall I covered it with plastic in sort of a makeshift hoop house. I used it until the temps got to the single digits in January.

I also have chives and tarragon in pots, they are already growing. My sage and mint are in ground and they are taking over...will definitely be cutting them back soon.

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Post  rowena___. on 4/1/2011, 6:26 pm

you have two different seasons of veggies in your garden. the peas, broccoli, cauliflower, and lettuces are cool season and everything else is warm season. also your carrots will need more than 6" of depth so you will need to put an additional box on top of that square.
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Post  WolfHeart on 4/1/2011, 11:52 pm

I never look at what I was planting in that way....so many layers....I will get it some time...Thanks for point that out rowena Smile
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Post  tkdtara84 on 4/2/2011, 1:48 am

I'm a beginner, too, so maybe someone else can chime in on this-- aren't Romas and Beefsteak tomatoes bush style? I know romas, at least, are since I'm going to grow those myself. Those bush out so much that they are supposed to take 9 square feet for one plant.

I don't want to give up that much space in a box, so others suggested putting them in a 5 gal. bucket and caging around that. Others said if you put them on a corner, you can give them 3 sq. feet, or plant lettuce or another early maturing crop around it so you can harvest before the tomato gets huge, but plan on it bushing out into your other plants.
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Post  Furbalsmom on 4/2/2011, 2:09 am

Most Romas are determinate and yes they take up a lot of room.
Beefsteaks are indeterminate and can be grown on a trellis.
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Post  FarmerValerie on 4/2/2011, 8:31 am

You can train a bush by trimming it, remove some of those suckers. I've had romas that were more of a vine than a bush. However 5 gallon buckets serve a mighty purpose in a SFG, they make more space for other things.
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Post  Ha-v-v on 4/2/2011, 8:44 am

Here is an article on Pruning how to, quite interesting.
http://gardening.about.com/od/totallytomatoes/qt/Tomato_Suckers.htm

For determinates


  • When Not to Prune Out Tomato Suckers

    Determinate type tomatoes don’t really require any pruning at all.
    Determinate tomatoes tend to be more compact. They reach a certain
    height and then stop growing. They don’t usually set their fruit until
    the branches are pretty much fully grown and then they set their fruit
    all at once. Since no new fruit will be developing after pruning,
    nothing is gained by pruning
I found a video last night for pruning indeterminates, in preparation for this year Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak7yj0tEvM
It was a good one, its filmed at Johnny's Selected Seeds
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Post  FarmerValerie on 4/2/2011, 8:55 am

Thanks for that Ha-v-v, I'll get another cup of coffee and check that out. I've alwasy had to trim them a bit for space. I was hoping to not have to do it so much this year because we have more space, now I'll get to do it right!!!!
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Post  Ha-v-v on 4/2/2011, 9:09 am

@FarmerValerie wrote:Thanks for that Ha-v-v, I'll get another cup of coffee and check that out. I've alwasy had to trim them a bit for space. I was hoping to not have to do it so much this year because we have more space, now I'll get to do it right!!!!

You are welcome.

I had such a mixture of tomatoes last year.. some were surprise tomatoes so I had no idea what they were (gifts from my precious neighbor) This year my husband asked me to try bush type tomatoes. Last years indeterminates grew over the 8ft trellis. I thought I bought determinates, but thankfully I bought indeterminates. (I did buy the cages like he suggested, he was paying Very Happy But I cant get past the cost myself so I bought tomato stakes for the rest of the tomatoes.) I do not want to freeze or can yet. Not where I live or how I live. I want to eat them all season long:) There was a thread on tomatoes last year I will hunt and it showed one persons tomatoes staked and gorgeously pruned with a load of tomatoes on it!! Thats my goal. But the fun is still there in the trial and error for me Smile
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Post  FarmerValerie on 4/2/2011, 9:17 am

I have brought tomatoes in, rinsed them, and tossed them in a baggie in the freezer. They were still good 3 months later when I pulled them out to use and can them. If you get extras don't be afraid to pop them in the freezer whole, just a thought.
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Post  Ha-v-v on 4/2/2011, 9:18 am

@FarmerValerie wrote:I have brought tomatoes in, rinsed them, and tossed them in a baggie in the freezer. They were still good 3 months later when I pulled them out to use and can them. If you get extras don't be afraid to pop them in the freezer whole, just a thought.

Oh good idea thank you !!! I will do that!
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Post  WolfHeart on 4/2/2011, 10:35 am

tkdtara84, thanks for pointing that out cheers I think i am going to try an keep it in the garden this year. I think my wife is on overload of buckets Shocked We are going to have six to start with just for potatoes. Now we are going to have a another one for rosemary.....I don't think i can put another one for now....is there an indeterminate roma type of tomato out there?

@Ha-v-v Thank you for the info on the tomatoes I am sure this will be very helpful this summer.
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Post  FarmerValerie on 4/2/2011, 11:10 am

YES, there is and it's my favorite type, Amish Paste. Here is an in depth explination of one, I got mine from Baker Creek Seeds 3 years ago, and then from the forum here on the exchange thread. But alas only 2 have survived, I'm either going to order more, or use cuttings to root and make more plants. Here's the link.

http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/4957-product.html?utm_source=rkgkeywords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=Spring20111220&utm_term=amish+paste+tomatoes
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Post  Ha-v-v on 4/2/2011, 3:56 pm

@FarmerValerie wrote:YES, there is and it's my favorite type, Amish Paste. Here is an in depth explination of one, I got mine from Baker Creek Seeds 3 years ago, and then from the forum here on the exchange thread. But alas only 2 have survived, I'm either going to order more, or use cuttings to root and make more plants. Here's the link.

http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/4957-product.html?utm_source=rkgkeywords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=Spring20111220&utm_term=amish+paste+tomatoes

Cuttings are awesome !! I did that a lot last year to give away plants Smile The green glass soda bottles actually helped the roots grow faster (experiment done by my cousins daughter Very Happy )
I just keep bottles we have found around the property for that. (seems during the time the pines were growing here folks drank here Very Happy)
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Post  WolfHeart on 4/2/2011, 4:01 pm

Oohhhhh What a Face

I am going to have to get me some of those....Next year I think my wife and I are going to start from seeds. but I have booked marked it for future use Very Happy
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Post  pattipan on 4/2/2011, 4:10 pm

I grew Opalka paste tomatoes last year, and take my word for it they vine like crazy! They have a very wispy-like leaf. Most of these odd-looking tomatoes ranged from 5" to 7", few seeds, very meaty, taste heavenly. I've got plants started from last year's seed. Here's a pick from last year:



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