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Post  myhouseofBOYS on Sun 03 Apr 2011, 7:06 pm

So a huge portion of the things I want to plant are the items that grown tall: toms, melons, cucs, zuke, some nasturstium. Is the standard max 2x whatever for the boxes? I see Mel sold a "tomato wagon" last year so I assume 2 deep is fine but can you go "deeper" and how would a long row ideally need to be oriented (ie east to West or North to south", a 2x8 would be 8 deep if situated the "wrong" way, no?). Do they not "shade" each other too much because they are in theory similar heights? Is it somewhat trial and error I guess? I am thinking of building some 2x8's but don't know if I can do a back row of say melons and a front row of toms or a whole long box of toms. Is the 2 deep so you can reach it all due to being a big tangle of vines (from front and back, if any deeper you couldn't reach the inners). Thanks for bearing with me.

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Post  camprn on Sun 03 Apr 2011, 7:48 pm

I'm confused when you say rows,,, are you planting the squares in the grid? also, what do you mean by deeper? do you mean deeper into the Mel's mix?
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Post  myhouseofBOYS on Sun 03 Apr 2011, 7:54 pm

sorry. I mean for example 2x6 or 2x8 boxes (two rows of 6 or 8 ). I figured planting toms 3 deep (3x3 or larger) would be too crowded/shaded/not enough support.

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Post  camprn on Sun 03 Apr 2011, 8:10 pm

I offset my tomatoes every other square and tend to prune the tomato plant severely.
This is my 4x6 last summer <~~~click
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Post  myhouseofBOYS on Sun 03 Apr 2011, 8:31 pm

what's funny is I am now remembering my first year. I planted 4 toms in 1 square, and the things thrived. Looked ridiculous being as they ended up being the main crop. so I am thinking it would be hard to do too horrifically no matter what I did as far as toms are considered.

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Post  quiltbea on Mon 04 Apr 2011, 12:06 am

I only put the tall and vining crops one deep. One row along the north side of the box for all the tall crops. In front goes shorter crops so they aren't shaded by the tall ones.

Even in a 4 x 4 box, only one row has tall crops like peas, pole beans, tomatoes.
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Post  Barkie on Mon 04 Apr 2011, 7:20 am

I'm with you, where I'm from in England we say "deep" too, a horizontal measurement of things. Yes, Toms 3 deep the outer plants would shade the inner one/s.

If your box or bed is 3x6 it is 3ft wide x 6ft long and runs east to west so all the plants get the most sun equally. It's important if your garden doesn't get much sun. My weather zone I would have to grow all my tallest crops on the back or North side (Row 3) with a medium height crop in the middle and a shorter less bulky one in front "row" in a flat bed but I could slope it so that the back of the bed is deeper than the front which lets more sunlight get on the crops.

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Conversly if you have long hot dry summers you could purposefully grow a medium tall plant in the short side outer squares just to give lettuce a bit of cooler shade.

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