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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  plantoid on 5/1/2012, 8:24 pm

@boffer wrote:My dry MM (mixed but not watered) weighs 20 pounds in a full five gallon bucket.

The amount of water needed to properly saturate MM is fairly consistent compared to that needed for 'soil'.

Mine was about that as well Boffer and we're a few thousand miles apart using different material no doubt . Once wetted well and left over night , a two gallon bucket of it is all I can haul around. So for me it was a no brainer to mix it and transport it to the beds as dry as I could get it ...... within reason.

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Post  plantoid on 5/1/2012, 8:31 pm

@AvaDGardner wrote:Yes, I believe water is 8lbs per gallon. Let's take that out of the equation. Water is a variable in both soil and MM.

How heavy is MM?

3 cubic yards of soil is approximately 1 Ton. How does MM compare in weight?

Is it the same as soil?

Ava



Ava where did you get the figures of 3 cu yards soil = one ton ?

I seem to recall that one cubic yard of clean washed damp building sand is about 7/8 of a ton and one cubic yard of impervious clay is only a tad heavier at one ton.

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Post  plantoid on 5/1/2012, 8:36 pm

@camprn wrote:
@AvaDGardner wrote:

How much does Mel's Mix weigh? Does MM weigh the same as soil?



Ava
I think it depends upon how much water is in the mix. I think water weighs about 8# a gallon.



English rhyme:-

A pint of pure water weighs a pound and a quarter .

So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink ) will weigh 8 pounds per imperial gallon

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  boffer on 5/1/2012, 8:57 pm

@plantoid wrote: So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink )

plantoid, I'm thinking you must have some Texas blood in your pedigree! Razz

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  camprn on 5/1/2012, 9:04 pm

So....wait.... a pint is a pound the whole world round..... but is only true in the US?

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  AvaDGardner on 5/2/2012, 1:31 am

@plantoid wrote:
@AvaDGardner wrote:Yes, I believe water is 8lbs per gallon. Let's take that out of the equation. Water is a variable in both soil and MM.

How heavy is MM?

3 cubic yards of soil is approximately 1 Ton. How does MM compare in weight?

Is it the same as soil?

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Ava where did you get the figures of 3 cu yards soil = one ton ?

I seem to recall that one cubic yard of clean washed damp building sand is about 7/8 of a ton and one cubic yard of impervious clay is only a tad heavier at one ton.

3CY=1T came from my DH...and he's never wrong. Laughing

I did research a lot looking for details...this is from my notes...




moist 90lbs/ft
wet 100lbs/ft
dense 125lbs/ft
clay weighs more than sand (particial density matters)
http://cadlab6.mit.edu/2.009.wiki/anchor/index.php?title=Cubic_yard_of_dirt


and
the average density of soil is 120-125lbs per CF
(not referenced)


and
compaction matters. 13 lbs per gal for loose soil
www.convert-me.com/en/bb/viewtopic

So...let's take moist as the standard. MM should be moist, not wet.

90lbs per ft * 3 (to make 1 CF) = 270lbs per 1CF.

* 3 (to make 1 CY) = 810 lbs

* 3 (to make 3 CY) = 2430 lbs
(one short ton = 2000 lbs)

Okay...the DH underestimated if my calcs are correct.

Are they?

Ava

(Just saw this on the mit site: Since a cubic yard is 27ft'cubed', the weight of a cubic yard varies from 2430lbs to 3375lbs)

Which means the DH REALLY under-estimated!

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  plantoid on 5/2/2012, 8:02 am

3 X3 X3 = 27 Cubic feet in a cubic yard



Imagine the base area of 3 lots of 3 cubic feet , now climb up for three levels and you have three lots of nine which to me is 27 cubic feet ie . 3 x 3 x 3 = 27

Basically 27 x 100 is 2700 pounds which is just over an imperial ton of 2240 pounds and nearly 1 & 1/2 of an American ton which is ( short measure Wink ) only 2,000 pounds

The biggest banana skin in the bag is that soil composure varies so much a light friable soil is that is damp & great for growing would weigh far less than the wet sticky blue clay native clay we have around here even if it did have loads of compost and manures in it.

Is



Perhaps fill a one cubic foot cardboard box ( I made one with five panels of carboard measuring one square foot & duct tape ) with a can which you know hold a set number of pounds as weighed out contents then multiply the number of cans used by the weight of the contents of the can.

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  plantoid on 5/2/2012, 8:30 am

@boffer wrote:
@plantoid wrote: So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink )

plantoid, I'm thinking you must have some Texas blood in your pedigree! Razz



Nah,

More like the Texans have plenty of good honest quality Yorkshire blood coursing through them for apparently that's where many of them originated from a couple of hundred years ago . Laughing

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Post  Kelejan on 5/2/2012, 11:50 am

@plantoid wrote:


English rhyme:-

A pint of pure water weighs a pound and a quarter .

So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink ) will weigh 8 pounds per imperial gallon

When I was at school in England I remember a gallon of water as weighing ten pounds. 8 pints x 1 /14 lbs = 10 pounds :scratch:

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  boffer on 5/2/2012, 12:03 pm

@plantoid wrote: Nah,
More like the Texans have plenty of good honest quality Yorkshire blood coursing through them for apparently that's where many of them originated from a couple of hundred years ago . Laughing

'Everything's bigger in Yorkshire' just sounds so...foreign! tongue



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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  SwampCatNana on 5/2/2012, 12:15 pm

Ava - MM will weigh less than regular soil b/c MM has vermiculite in it. I also think your weight of a cubic foot may be wrong. Especially is you are talking about MM.
Has someone bought the actual MM? The one they sell in their store in Utah? Not the mix we can make the but the actual MM, his product.
If someone has access to this, take a full bag and weigh it, then divide that amount by the # of cubic ft in the bag. That should settle the question.
Lee

P.S. Just got this from Google. "On the average, however, the density of ideal topsoil is about 1.25 grams per cubic centimeter, or about 78 pounds per cubic foot."

Therefore, a 4 x 4 x 6" garden would weigh 8 x 78 = 624 lbs.
This is REGULAR soil, NOT MM. MM (8cu ft) would weigh much less. Since vermiculite weighs only 4.69 lbs per cubic ft, 624 lbs is too much for MM in a 4 x 4 x 6 garden.
So - 624 - 208.26 = 415.74 + 12.52 = 428.26 lbs for MM per garden above.


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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  Kelejan on 5/2/2012, 5:44 pm

Well, Yorkshire IS the largest county in England, so I reckon they can brag.

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Post  H_TX_2 on 5/2/2012, 6:11 pm

@plantoid wrote:
@boffer wrote:
@plantoid wrote: So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink )

plantoid, I'm thinking you must have some Texas blood in your pedigree! Razz



Nah,

More like the Texans have plenty of good honest quality Yorkshire blood coursing through them for apparently that's where many of them originated from a couple of hundred years ago . Laughing


Wow. Very interesting that you bring that up. I was born and raised in Texas. My last name is British and I am told everyone with my last name are descendants from a large family living in Yorkshire, England.

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  plantoid on 5/2/2012, 7:36 pm

@Kelejan wrote:
@plantoid wrote:


English rhyme:-

A pint of pure water weighs a pound and a quarter .

So yes , an imperial gallon ( not your USA short measure ones Wink ) will weigh 8 pounds per imperial gallon

When I was at school in England I remember a gallon of water as weighing ten pounds. 8 pints x 1 /14 lbs = 10 pounds :scratch:


glad you spotted the mistook ..

It's a pity that the edit period is so short . I've been having a blond day and a half eversince 00.01 hrs . 2 May ....... right through to 23.59 and a bit.

Now I'm imortalised on computers all around the world and into cyperspace as " Plantoid the blond Yorkie who gives short measures and charges full price "



Now for the Murdoch apology ,

" Please accept my humble , grovelling , belly creeping words of apology , if you don't want to accept them ...tough ! ". Wink

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Post  camprn on 5/2/2012, 8:02 pm


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Post  LtTawnyMadison on 5/29/2012, 9:14 pm

I got some Chickity-Doo Doo today from Agway. The bag says "composted layer manure" - but it DOES smell. Should I return it?

The other ones I got are:


  • A mix of cow manure and forest humus
  • Lobster compost - "Quoddy Blend"
  • Earthworm castings
I had asked them to for ones with no fillers (they keep the bags in the back somewhere), but I have just now checked them all and found that the lobster compost contains "peat humus." So I'm wondering if this needs to go back also. You'd listed Quoddy Blend in the list of mixes though... this is all very complicated!!

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Post  Goosegirl on 5/29/2012, 9:33 pm

@LtTawnyMadison wrote:I got some Chickity-Doo Doo today from Agway. The bag says "composted layer manure" - but it DOES smell. Should I return it?


I have never used it personally, but from everyone who has posted about it on the forum, I understand that it DOES smell at the beginning even tho' it is composted, but the smell fades within a few days out of the bag. Hopefully someone who uses it will chime in!

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Post  CCgirl75 on 5/29/2012, 10:00 pm

I used the Chickity Doo Doo and it does smell strong. The smell went away. I think I used a little too much in some batches I made for pots, though. I was trying use up some of the left over bags. I had flowers that died. I amended the soil with other types of compost and it helped.

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Post  LtTawnyMadison on 5/30/2012, 10:44 am

Thanks! Does anyone know about the Lobster compost that I mentioned in my post above? It's "Quoddy Blend" but the back of the bag says it contains "peat humus." So I'm wondering if this needs to go back also. This thread lists Quoddy Blend in the list of recommended mixes though... help!

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Post  walshevak on 5/30/2012, 11:32 am

I've heard nothing but good reports on it. In fact, when I was in No. VA, I picked up 2 bag to have on hand here in NC.

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Post  LtTawnyMadison on 5/30/2012, 11:52 am

So do I need to account for its having peat humus in it? Or is peat humus different from peat moss?

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Post  walshevak on 5/30/2012, 12:35 pm

It is somewhat different, but I don't remember what the forum came up with as to whether it needed offsetting in the amount of peat. ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS.

The minerals in the Quoddy Blend make it well worth using. So if your are worried, throw in an extra bag of one of others (I recommend the chicken) and use 1 less bucket full of peatmoss. If you have to make a mistake on the mix, extras compost is the mistake to make.

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Post  toledobend on 7/27/2012, 3:39 pm

@AvaDGardner wrote:
@boffer wrote:My dry MM (mixed but not watered) weighs 20 pounds in a full five gallon bucket.

The amount of water needed to properly saturate MM is fairly consistent compared to that needed for 'soil'.

Thank you Boffer!

And a 5 gal bucket is .5 CUs, per walshevak's post on 3/17/12.

Check me on this please...Mel says on pg 100 with 6" of mix that:
(W*L)/2= Cubic Feet.
2*3 (mixing tubs)= 6/2 = 3 CF.
20lbs = 0.5 CU (per Boffer)
3/0.5 = 6 (There are 6 units of 0.5CU per 3CF)
6*20 (lbs) = 120lbs per 2x3 mixing tub.

Did I do that correctly?

Ava

One correction I would make is that a 5 gallon bucket holds .66 cu Ft

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Post  toledobend on 7/27/2012, 3:53 pm

I was wondering about the weight of a 4x4x6" box also. If I put a box on our concrete area (formally a basket ball court, in the future a garage) I'm going to have raise them above dog pee level (half shepard/half golden retriever). But I want to be able to move them out farther into the yard during winter for the sun (beyond the wireless fence dog collar range). The box will have Hardie Board for the "floor" with 2x6 runners on the bottom so I can tow it/them to another part of the yard. Problem is, I'll need to get them off the concrete blocks I plan to use to get them out of pee range. And then back onto the blocks in mid spring to get them some shade from our Louisiana sun. Using the .66 figure for the size of a 5 gallon bucket, I came up with 242 lbs. Was the 20 pounds per bucket dry MM?

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Post  camprn on 7/27/2012, 5:05 pm

There are a few old threads about this very subject so check the search feature.

My contribution: castor wheels will make life easier. Wink The large the wheel diameter the easier it will be to roll.

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