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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  walshevak on 7/27/2012, 7:14 pm

@toledobend wrote:I was wondering about the weight of a 4x4x6" box also. If I put a box on our concrete area (formally a basket ball court, in the future a garage) I'm going to have raise them above dog pee level (half shepard/half golden retriever). But I want to be able to move them out farther into the yard during winter for the sun (beyond the wireless fence dog collar range). The box will have Hardie Board for the "floor" with 2x6 runners on the bottom so I can tow it/them to another part of the yard. Problem is, I'll need to get them off the concrete blocks I plan to use to get them out of pee range. And then back onto the blocks in mid spring to get them some shade from our Louisiana sun. Using the .66 figure for the size of a 5 gallon bucket, I came up with 242 lbs. Was the 20 pounds per bucket dry MM?

You may need to build a ramp up to the blocks. Very Happy

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  Goosegirl on 7/28/2012, 9:22 am

@walshevak wrote:
@toledobend wrote:I was wondering about the weight of a 4x4x6" box also. If I put a box on our concrete area (formally a basket ball court, in the future a garage) I'm going to have raise them above dog pee level (half shepard/half golden retriever). But I want to be able to move them out farther into the yard during winter for the sun (beyond the wireless fence dog collar range). The box will have Hardie Board for the "floor" with 2x6 runners on the bottom so I can tow it/them to another part of the yard. Problem is, I'll need to get them off the concrete blocks I plan to use to get them out of pee range. And then back onto the blocks in mid spring to get them some shade from our Louisiana sun. Using the .66 figure for the size of a 5 gallon bucket, I came up with 242 lbs. Was the 20 pounds per bucket dry MM?

You may need to build a ramp up to the blocks. Very Happy

Kay

Or instead of blocks you can attach 4x4 stubby posts as the raisers, with casters on the bottom so you can just roll it where you want it - as long as it is on a solid surface and can roll...

I did that with a very large 1/2 barrel several years ago - much easier to move around on wheels!

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Post  toledobend on 7/28/2012, 10:33 am

The problem with wheels or casters is that I'll have to cross soft dirt to move it to the winter location (about 60 yards), that's why I am going to have runners on the bottom, though I will check out putting wheels on the bottom. I have those "seen on TV" furniture moving straps (we can lift a big old recliner couch-last weekend I helped my daughter move) so if the filled box is not too heavy, my son-in-law and I can probably get it off the blocks. How much water does anybody think will be in a 4x4x6" box?

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Post  jplee3 on 10/12/2012, 2:22 am

Hey guys, I'm new to SFG and am planning things out. I'm a bit confused as far as composts though - OPs first post includes suggestions for using various types of manures. First off, is the manure always supposed to be 'composted' out of the package? Or is it relatively fresh? I presume you just mix these in with regular compost? And is it always a good idea to let the manure sit outside in a pile for a few weeks to ensure it has fully composted? What about mulch? Same thing (just let it break down more so it becomes true compost)? TIA!

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Post  Hoggar on 10/12/2012, 2:21 pm

@toledobend wrote:The problem with wheels or casters is that I'll have to cross soft dirt to move it to the winter location (about 60 yards), that's why I am going to have runners on the bottom, though I will check out putting wheels on the bottom. I have those "seen on TV" furniture moving straps (we can lift a big old recliner couch-last weekend I helped my daughter move) so if the filled box is not too heavy, my son-in-law and I can probably get it off the blocks. How much water does anybody think will be in a 4x4x6" box?

You could use 6" wheels in your runners so when it was on solid ground it could be rolled into place after all we are talking about a couple hundred lbs of dirt water and wood.

Here is something I threw together in paint.

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  camprn on 10/13/2012, 9:37 am

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@toledobend wrote:The problem with wheels or casters is that I'll have to cross soft dirt to move it to the winter location (about 60 yards), that's why I am going to have runners on the bottom, though I will check out putting wheels on the bottom. I have those "seen on TV" furniture moving straps (we can lift a big old recliner couch-last weekend I helped my daughter move) so if the filled box is not too heavy, my son-in-law and I can probably get it off the blocks. How much water does anybody think will be in a 4x4x6" box?

You could use 6" wheels in your runners so when it was on solid ground it could be rolled into place after all we are talking about a couple hundred lbs of dirt water and wood.

Here is something I threw together in paint.
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Post  mollyhespra on 10/13/2012, 10:14 am

@jplee3 wrote:Hey guys, I'm new to SFG and am planning things out. I'm a bit confused as far as composts though - OPs first post includes suggestions for using various types of manures. First off, is the manure always supposed to be 'composted' out of the package? Or is it relatively fresh? I presume you just mix these in with regular compost? And is it always a good idea to let the manure sit outside in a pile for a few weeks to ensure it has fully composted? What about mulch? Same thing (just let it break down more so it becomes true compost)? TIA!

Firstly, glad you\'re here jplee3!

Secondly, I'm a newbie to this SFG thing also, but from what I recall from my "regular" gardening experience (I get piles of poo from a local farmer nowadays) is that pre-bagged, commercially available manures are usually labelled if they're pre-composted or the instructions on the bag will warn you *to* compost them by placing a warning somewhere about not using too much or it will burn your plants' roots. That tells me the manure isn't "done" yet or at all, in which case I'd add it to the pile & let it cook some more. Good composted manure shouldn't burn anybody's roots, I shouldn't think.

I'm sure the more experiened folks will chime in also.

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Lookie what i found!

Post  Laydera on 2/8/2013, 8:09 pm

http://www.squarefootgardening.com/garden-accessories/garden-potting-soil/

I am so excited as I am building my first two beds this year and this will make it so much easier! I have waited 8 years to have my SFG back.

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Post  JackieB999 on 2/9/2013, 11:23 pm

That is very exciting! I went to order a few bags and the shipping cost is more than the mix Sad Not available to pick up in store. Bummer.

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  Laydera on 2/9/2013, 11:41 pm

You have it sent to your local Home Depot then pick it up from there.. no shipping costs involved..not buy it off the SFG site. let me see if I can provide the link to HD..

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-203272590/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=potting+soil&storeId=10051#.UQlUQKX4gqY

Maybe this will help you.

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Post  JackieB999 on 2/10/2013, 1:00 am

Thanks, but it's not available for pick up Sad Maybe come spring.

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Animal Compost

Post  Nine on 3/28/2013, 5:28 pm

Is all of the animal manure in a single class? In other words, if I get chicken, guano, and cow does this count as 3 or 1?

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  Nine on 3/28/2013, 5:52 pm

I just started reading about safety concerns and manure if it is not composted long enough. Do I need to be concerned about placing bag manure in my garden if I'm planting immediately?

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Post  camprn on 3/28/2013, 5:53 pm

@Nine wrote:Is all of the animal manure in a single class? In other words, if I get chicken, guano, and cow does this count as 3 or 1?

Thanks, gang?
It counts as three, but it is advised to try for other types or organic compost when making your blend so it is not manure heavy. But you have to do the best you can and also to consider the fact that even manure compost has other elements in it, such as bedding materials.

You will find a comparison chart here in this article.
http://www.plantea.com/manure.htm

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Post  Nine on 3/28/2013, 6:59 pm

I just read about safety concerns about manure. Do I need to worry about planting immediately if I use manure?

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Post  RoOsTeR on 3/28/2013, 7:12 pm

@Nine wrote:I just read about safety concerns about manure. Do I need to worry about planting immediately if I use manure?

What type of "safety" concerns? Make sure your manure is composted before mixing in your beds. Wash your hands/produce after harvesting or working in the garden. I can say without much hesitation, that what you produce yourself in your garden will be a lot "cleaner" than anything you can buy in a store.

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Post  jazzycat on 3/28/2013, 7:58 pm

I can't speak for Nine, but the concerns *I* have are about where it comes from. If it's coming from a cafo, it's been fed gmo corn and antibiotics and hormones, and who knows what else. I certainly don't want that kind of stuff in my garden, OR the energy that comes from a cow/chicken/whatever that's been kept in strict confinement. Can you buy manure that comes from grass fed, free range animals? And where would you find it?

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Post  RoOsTeR on 3/28/2013, 8:07 pm

Try your local farmer.

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Post  camprn on 3/28/2013, 8:09 pm

@RoOsTeR wrote:Try your local farmer.
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Post  plantoid on 3/28/2013, 8:19 pm

Jazzy,
I see that concerned about animal based manures in your compost .

May I suggest that you read about " The Berkley 18 day hot composting method "
. contained in the article from Cornell University are massive lists of what can be composted , you can then make a compost yourself in 18 days without animal based manures .

How ever if you use such manures I suspect that the heat will nullify most things to a lesser degree than the pollution in the air & rain /water that the plants will breathe or consume .

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Re: Mels Mix - How strong is your backbone?

Post  ddemeo on 4/1/2013, 8:42 am

I'm wishing I had seen this before I went around shopping for compost! At least I haven't started mixing yet.

For compost I have the following so far:
2 bags Just Natural mushroom compost
1 bag composted cow manure
1 bag lobster compost
1 bag worm castings
4 bags ecoscraps (on order...hopefully will arrive this week!)

All bags are approximately the same size.

I just got a compost bin too, so going forward I'll make my own for trowels full. Now that I've read through this thread, though, I may pick up another bag or two of compost so it's truly diverse. I've seen bat guano, chickity doo doo, quoddy blend, and a few others I wasn't sure were okay to use until I read through this.

Question: Is it safe to assume that the compost mix doesn't have to be an exact ratio? In other words, if I had 5 different kinds, does it have to be 1:1:1:1:1? Or is 2:1:1:1:4 acceptable? I am aware that once my compost is mixed, I'll want that to be 1:1:1 with the peat moss and vermiculite. I'm just wondering about the compost itself. Suggestions??

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Post  camprn on 4/20/2014, 7:43 am

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Post  CapeCoddess on 4/20/2014, 7:52 am

oh no! Is it that time already? I've been ignoring it hoping it will flop over by itself... Rolling Eyes 

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Minerals

Post  MitchHardy on 4/25/2015, 9:10 pm

Since compost is bulky, it doesn't pay to move it long distances. Most of the compost/manure a gardener can either make or buy comes from a limited geographic locale, and there aren't many places in the world that don't have either a deficiency or an excess of one or more of the minerals needed for optimal plant growth. (Oddly enough, such excess or deficiency is likely to be present in the gardener's own soil......)

All the compost you can pile on won't correct this problem, which is why we need to...

ADD MINERALS to our mix (after testing).

And this is most especially critical with the cations. Soil health, and therefore plant health, depends on proper amounts and a proper balance of calcium, potassium, magnesium, and sodium to maintain the cation exchange capacity of the soil.

Think bone char, azomite , granite meal, greensand, etc., etc., &etc. Compost is wonderful, but it's not a panacea for all nutrient problems. And then there is the issue of soil structure. Try adding gypsum to your soil and see what happens.

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Post  ralitaco on 4/25/2015, 10:05 pm

@MitchHardy wrote:...All the compost you can pile on won't correct this problem, which is why we need to...

ADD MINERALS to our mix (after testing).

...Soil health, and therefore plant health, depends on proper amounts and a proper balance of calcium, potassium, magnesium, and sodium to maintain the cation exchange capacity of the soil.

...Compost is wonderful, but it's not a panacea for all nutrient problems.
I am no expert on compost nor gardening in general but with that said, just like everything else in the world, there is no real "one size fits all" solution for anything, and nowadays I see ads saying "one size fits MOST" And I think that's what SFG is aiming to do.

I believe the reason that Mel's Mix uses a blended compost is to get a wide variety of the nutrients needed to grow the widest assortment of veggies and/or flowers with the least amount of extra minerals and such. Also, SFG opens the door to give a wide variety of people in various situations and circumstances a reliable, successful gardening experience.

I am sure there are some SFG'ers that will not add anything other than their compost, but I know I have read on other threads folks getting their soil tested. And getting it tested should be a pre-requesite before amending the soil. 

Another benefit is that even if you have to amend the soil, you can use a lot less in a much better controlled environment. AND you can tailor an individual box's nutrients for certain crops.

Regardless of whether or not you need to add some minerals to make up for deficiencies, the SFG method is by far easier for me to do AND understand. As an example, I am reading a Veggie Gardening "holy book" and that author is talking about having to roto-till the ground, digging down to the sub soil, using long tine pitchforks to aerate the soil, etc. If I had to do ALL that to plant some tomatoes, Forget about it...I wouldn't do it. Now if all I have to do is get my MM tested and add some potassium or calcium to one 4x4 box of loose soil...That I can do and will gladly do.

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