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Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  boffer on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:21 am

For five years I've gardened by the book. It's been MM only. No teas, supplements, additives, fertilizers, emulsions, or extras. It was totally a whim to have my latest batch of MM tested. I was seeking the advice of a plant pathologist (non-soil problem) and decided at the last second as I was heading out the door, that I would get my MM analyzed while I was there. (For those of you in my neck of the woods, our version of the county ag agent is the WSU Extension facility in Puyallup; that's where I went.)

As it turned out, they don't do soil testing, but they did provide a list of certified labs. I sent samples to a local lab in Poulsbo and one to a lab on the east coast. They both had several different test packages to choose from; I chose the ones recommended for home gardens-vegetables where possible .

Lab 1:

pH 6.8
Phosphorus: very high
Potassium: very high
Calcium: very high
Magnesium: very high
Sodium: high
Nitrogen: very high

In summary and suggestions, as written by the QC Manager:

"This sample appears to be more of a compost/vermiculite mix rather than a soil, and the high results back up that observation. The pH is good for vegetable gardens.

The calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, phosphorus, and nitrogen are all about 10x higher than the amounts found in a true soil. The ideal thing to do would be to use this as an amendment and not use more than a one part mix to 9 parts regular soil. This will put the nutrient levels in a safe range.

The organic matter is also very high and will release even more nutrients when broken down by microorganisms."


Lab 2:

(They provided results via PDF and the details can be viewed here.

pH 6.8
Phosphorus: very high
Potassium: very high
Calcium: very high
Magnesium: very high
Nitrogen: medium

Micronutrient Levels: within normal range
Misc. metal content: next to none

In summary and suggestions:

"The only adjustment needed is to apply nitrogen 1/4 pound per 100sf. Possible sources are 1lb. of 30-3-3 type fertilizer or 4lbs. of dried blood.





So there you are: results from two accredited labs that don't agree with each other, nor do they really agree with my assessment of crop growth and harvest.

My summary: I grow everything in MM, and everything is growing as well as it can given my cool weather this year. My corn, a heavy nitrogen feeder, is healthy.

What would you do now that you have numbers, if anything?

My current compost mix is a 6 way, approximately equal amounts:
grass, leaves, mushroom compost, chicken, horse, and cow manures










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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  littlejo on Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:06 pm

Boffer, is your mushroom compost bought at the store?



Interesting that they don't have same report. I think your garden does fine, so, I think you've given us a recipe for very good compost. I have chicken, but no cow or horse available. I will see how mine turns out.



I might get mine tested before planting next spring. It's only 10 bucks to test thru Clemson ext. for residents.

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Post  camprn on Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:01 pm

littlejo wrote:Boffer, is your mushroom compost bought at the store?



Interesting that they don't have same report. I think your garden does fine, so, I think you've given us a recipe for very good compost. I have chicken, but no cow or horse available. I will see how mine turns out.



I might get mine tested before planting next spring. It's only 10 bucks to test thru Clemson ext. for residents.

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Hey Jo, cow manure is closer than expected? a quick search on Google says you have a few dairy farms nearby Wink Link

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Post  BackyardBirdGardner on Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:19 pm

The calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, phosphorus, and nitrogen are all about 10x higher than the amounts found in a true soil. The ideal thing to do would be to use this as an amendment and not use more than a one part mix to 9 parts regular soil. This will put the nutrient levels in a safe range.


I will interpret this in case no one speaks "lab" or "nerd" since I'm fluent in both.

Holy flipping crapoli! You have the best possible growing medium for plants. It was also so fluffy that I bet you just pop any weeds out. If you went into business selling this stuff, you would get complaints that it's "too powerful" and would make a LOT more money if you diluted it quite a bit. If anyone deviated from your recipe, they should be taken out back by the woodshed and flogged.

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  fiddleman on Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:05 pm

boffer wrote:



My summary: I grow everything in MM, and everything is growing as well as it can given my cool weather this year. My corn, a heavy nitrogen feeder, is healthy.

What would you do now that you have numbers, if anything?



What would I do? Nothing.

Your plants grow well, and they're not lacking anything, really. Obviously, the amount of nutrients aren't burning the plants (why I love compost so much!) with everything the plant could basically want for nutrients, all you need supply are decent temperatures, some sun, and some rain. (Yeah, I know... rain you gots, warm temps and sun... not so much Smile )

Congratulations on a well balanced growing mix, (not soil), and thanks for sharing the numbers- it's interesting to get the information from the tests - they disagree on the nitrogen numbers, and basically say you can use your growing mix as fertilizer!

Powerful stuff...

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  trukrebew on Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:23 pm

[quote="BackyardBirdGardner"]

I will interpret this in case no one speaks "lab" or "nerd" since I'm fluent in both.

Holy flipping crapoli!


At least 50% of it is holy, BBG! rofl


Boffer, Thanks for providing some verifiable scientific data to support Mel's recipe. The dual independent labs were a smart move. Clearly, the QC Manager is not the same thing as a QG Manager (Quality Garden). My personal compost is completely lacking in the stinky stuff, where yours is almost off the charts. way to go

Although there is a bit of room left for a certain Teen Wizard to try to stick his nose in and go for a perfect score. Wink Wink nudge, nudge.

In the meantime, I have to get me some more crapoli.

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  Chopper on Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:26 pm

boffer wrote:

Lab 1:

pH 6.8
Phosphorus: very high
Potassium: very high
Calcium: very high
Magnesium: very high
Sodium: high
Nitrogen: very high

In summary and suggestions, as written by the QC Manager:

"This sample appears to be more of a compost/vermiculite mix rather than a soil, and the high results back up that observation. The pH is good for vegetable gardens.

The calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, phosphorus, and nitrogen are all about 10x higher than the amounts found in a true soil. The ideal thing to do would be to use this as an amendment and not use more than a one part mix to 9 parts regular soil. This will put the nutrient levels in a safe range..."



Well, they got the same soil ph and most of the rest of it they seemed to agree on, just different conclusions. I especially am wondering what is "unsafe" about high levels of nutrients that plants need to thrive. I will tell you, it explains why you can do a more intensive form of gardening. Dufusses.

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Post  shannon1 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:54 pm

Dufusses

Thanks Boffer I was going to get my MM tested before I started root crops to make sure the PH was close to neutral (7 for you non-nerds). Now I may just save some of that hard earned cash.

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  boffer on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:26 pm

*littlejo, I get mushroom compost by the yard from a local retailer who gets it from the Ostrom Mushroom facility about 20 miles away. It's also available by the bag at better nurseries around here, produced by Whitney Farms.

*trukrebew, I wouldn't doubt that the Teen Wizard has a magic elixir up his sleeve!

So what have I learned? Nothing much. Knowing that my pH is 6.8 or my K is 1171 ppm makes for boring water cooler talk. The numbers are in a usable range just like Mel said they would be. My vegetables have grown just like he said they would. It's still amazing to me sometimes that it really is as simple as using five composts.

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  madnicmom on Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:45 pm

Well, this pretty much backs up this thread:

http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t7023-mel-s-mix-pyramid



My dad has said about 3 times this season " wonder what your analysis would be?" Well, I just might have to send my sample off to OSU , who in turn send it to MSU (boo hiss!!!) and send the results to his house! LOL

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Post  1airdoc on Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:48 am

As a result of another post ("disappinted in output"), I took a sample of my MM from the garden to the CoOp last week for analysis. The CoOp sent it to the lab, and the lab refused to run it. They said it was "potting soil mix" and that if I wanted an analysis, I'd have to dig deeper and get some "real soil!"

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Post  camprn on Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:59 am

1airdoc wrote:As a result of another post ("disappinted in output"), I took a sample of my MM from the garden to the CoOp last week for analysis. The CoOp sent it to the lab, and the lab refused to run it. They said it was "potting soil mix" and that if I wanted an analysis, I'd have to dig deeper and get some "real soil!"
Where are you located? I suggest sending it to the UMass lab in Amherst Ma.

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Re: Mel's Mix Lab Analysis Results

Post  boffer on Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:08 am

UMass was one of the labs that I used. The standard test. I did not identify my growing medium as MM. It was convenient for me to use the smallest 'If it fits, it ships' boxes from the post office.

It is considered advantageous to utilize a lab close to one's home because they will be familiar with regional soils and appropriate recommendations. I figure it doesn't matter a whit with MM.

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Post  squaredeal on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:17 am

If anyone is interested, here is a page listing addresses for soil testing, including the UMass site Boffer used. Actually, it may be worth it; our extension service is suggesting it for community gardeners in Marion county, IN because of the high levels of toxic metals present in regular soil.

http://www.ag.purdue.edu/counties/marion/Pages/SoilSamplingTesting.aspx

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