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Post  Rhianna78 on 1/9/2012, 7:57 am

I found a local rabbit breeder that will let me get some poo for fertilizer but she mixes pine pellets in to it. Neither of us are sure if it would be a bad thing. I know pine can kill everything but with the pellets I don't know their pH levels. Any help from a bunny parent or SFGer that uses bunny poo?

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Post  RoOsTeR on 1/9/2012, 9:25 am

I am not a pine pellet expert, but I would think as long as they are the 100% pine pellet type, they should be just fine to use. They will however need to be composted Very Happy

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Post  staf74 on 1/9/2012, 10:43 am

I found a small discussion on the topic here for you

http://www.kitchencomposterblog.com/garden-compost/is-pine-sawdust-okay-in-your-gardencompost

The consensus from the comments section appear to be that after composting the poop/pine mix, the pH would be neutral and fine to add to the garden. Straight pine needles are around 6 (pH). Using it straight in the SFG as one of your composts, you might run into some issues as the pine portion of the mix is still there and might rob your Mel's Mix of nitrogen as it tries to decompose the pine. We want MM for growing, not for composting Very Happy In small amounts it might be fine but I would be hesitant on using un-composted pine pellets in my SFG.

However, just to confuse you Mad This is an interesting read from a very well respected gardening site but it does refer to pine straw as mulch and NOT shavings and poop mixed.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2702/

Hope that helped and didn't confuse you even more. I'm no expert......just my two cents Very Happy

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Post  camprn on 1/9/2012, 12:07 pm

I need some clarification. Are you saying the rabbit owner mixes rabbit poo with PINE PELLETS? as in, wood pellets? or are you saying PINE SHAVINGS or NEEDLES. My answer will be different with each of these pine products... Very Happy

The rabbit pellets themselves can go right in the garden but the other product ... Shocked

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Post  RoOsTeR on 1/9/2012, 12:36 pm

Pine pellets are an alternative to pine shavings.
Personally never used them. I know some use them for chicks instead of shavings.

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Re: Rabbit mixed with Pine Pellets?

Post  Rhianna78 on 1/9/2012, 1:17 pm

The rabbit breeder puts pine pellets (like wood pellets) in the bottoms of the cages. I assume its for absorption purposes but I didn't ask. She cleans out her pens/cages every week & the pine pellets get scooped out with the poop so I'd end up with a mix.

I know you can use pine needles but it takes a while to compost them. I know you can use wood chips but you still need to compost them, just not for as long. I also know rabbit is good to go straight from the 'factory'. Since the pellets are mixed in I'm guessing they'd require some form of composting, but I don't know for how long.

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Post  staf74 on 1/9/2012, 1:40 pm

I say take as much as you can and use that as your composting base. Start a compost pile if you can. Lots of threads on that. It will save you $$$ in the long run as you need to replenish the nutrients every time you change out a square anyhow. Rabbit poop heats up so quick and usually breaks down fast. Add plenty of leaves, shredded cardboard, visit to local DD / starbucks for coffee grounds, kitchen scraps, horse manure etc and you have yourself the best stuff in the making.

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Post  plantoid on 1/9/2012, 3:28 pm

The pelleted pine dust still has some turpentine in them unless it's been steamed out . If the new unused pellets even remotely smell of pine I for one would not use them .

Pelleted pine is chipped green pine forced through a die like a massive mincing machine at extreme pressure to remove turpentine & other tree fluids which are then distilled to make all sorts of products , whats left gets used for fuel , animal litter etc etc..

I suspect that the new pelleted pine granules is not only used to absorb the liquids from the rabbits it is also used for a deoderizing , disinfecting & asthetic purposes as well .
Though if it is spread out and weathered for a couple of months I'd then compost it for a year or so by which time the rabbit muck would have had most of its nutrients to being leeched or bleached out of it.

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Post  HillbillyBob on 1/10/2012, 12:00 pm

@staf74 wrote:I say take as much as you can and use that as your composting base. Start a compost pile if you can. Lots of threads on that. It will save you $$$ in the long run as you need to replenish the nutrients every time you change out a square anyhow. Rabbit poop heats up so quick and usually breaks down fast. Add plenty of leaves, shredded cardboard, visit to local DD / starbucks for coffee grounds, kitchen scraps, horse manure etc and you have yourself the best stuff in the making.
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Rabbit Poo doesn't heat at all if it's just rabbit Poo,now if you have shavings mixed in they wil heat as they decompose,a mix of the two makes some of the best compost,I've been rasing rabbits for more years then I care to state on a open forum: shock: Rolling Eyes btw if rabbits are kept clean the won't smell no need for the shavings to cover their smell cyclops ,I use pine shavings so they get a head start to the compost bin Wink

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Post  Rhianna78 on 1/10/2012, 5:38 pm

Okay so they need composting. For how long? I was thinking from now until April (just over 3 months) should be quite sufficient. Any input?

Also heard back from another breeder who uses straw on the bottom of his cages. I know the straw will need composting to break down but I think maybe the poo would be easier to separate out (at least some of it) to use straight away. He feeds his rabbits some corn mix feed over the winter so if there's corn bits in there will that drastically effect its ability to be used prior to composting?

Sorry, never really got to compost in Europe. Military housing isn't always that friendly to gardening.

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Post  HillbillyBob on 1/12/2012, 9:48 am

3 months might be okay just compost it until the heat is over your rabbit poo is ready from day one it's the straw/corn/pine pellets that have to work through the heat,you can speed the process up by running it all throught a shredder,smaller piceces work faster Shocked

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Post  staf74 on 1/12/2012, 11:09 am

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Rabbit Poo doesn't heat at all if it's just rabbit Poo

Hillbilly, just to clarify. Sure. Did not mean for it to sound like that. My rabbit "poop" is always mixed with straw, hair and saturated in rabbit urine. Pet waste from our lovable herbivores is high in nitrogen and aerobic bacteria. In fact, urine contains urea which is one of the best and most plentiful sources of nitrogen around. It breaks down fast in the compost bin and really helps the pile heat up. Adding THAT to the pile interacts with other ingredients to get the microbial activity really heating up. There are many things that by themselves in the pile won't heat up and certainly if your pile is too small it will struggle to generate good heat.

My main point was, its free fertilizer, its compost-able and perhaps grab it while you can Very Happy

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Post  HillbillyBob on 1/13/2012, 7:58 am

No problem,just didn't want to see any body burn up there garden plants by using pine or straw fillers tring to make it least,or cover more garden space Smile Very Happy

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Post  NorthWoodsFever on 1/13/2012, 6:22 pm

@staf74 wrote:I say take as much as you can and use that as your composting base. Start a compost pile if you can. Lots of threads on that. It will save you $$$ in the long run as you need to replenish the nutrients every time you change out a square anyhow. Rabbit poop heats up so quick and usually breaks down fast. Add plenty of leaves, shredded cardboard, visit to local DD / starbucks for coffee grounds, kitchen scraps, horse manure etc and you have yourself the best stuff in the making.

I like the idea of composting shredded cardboard...we get a lot of that from the grocery store...will give the kids a good afternoon project on a cold winter day. lol Very Happy

Would it be best to soak the cardboard in water overnight first before adding to the compost pile??

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Post  NorthWoodsFever on 1/13/2012, 6:40 pm

Oooooh, I wish I could post outside links Sad ...ALMOST. I found a neat site that has a list of compostable items. Gives info if it can be composted safely, if it is a Carbon/ Nitrogen based contributor...WAY cool. It's at CompostGuide dot com

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Post  staf74 on 1/13/2012, 6:50 pm

Would it be best to soak the cardboard in water overnight first before adding to the compost pile??

Sure, just wet enough to hold the water but if you squeeze it a little, it should not drip out everywhere. Too much water interferes also.

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Post  HillbillyBob on 1/16/2012, 10:26 am

@NorthWoodsFever wrote:
@staf74 wrote:I say take as much as you can and use that as your composting base. Start a compost pile if you can. Lots of threads on that. It will save you $$$ in the long run as you need to replenish the nutrients every time you change out a square anyhow. Rabbit poop heats up so quick and usually breaks down fast. Add plenty of leaves, shredded cardboard, visit to local DD / starbucks for coffee grounds, kitchen scraps, horse manure etc and you have yourself the best stuff in the making.

I like the idea of composting shredded cardboard...we get a lot of that from the grocery store...will give the kids a good afternoon project on a cold winter day. lol Very Happy

Would it be best to soak the cardboard in water overnight first before adding to the compost pile??
It will shred better dry, then wet it as you put it into the compost pile :scratch:

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Post  staf74 on 1/16/2012, 10:40 am

It will shred better dry, then wet it as you put it into the compost pile :scratch:

If it goes through a shredder then yes, clearly it needs to be dry first to do that. I doubt wet cardboard would shred well Razz Or soak it overnight and tear into little strips. Either way, the damp stuff is best.

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Post  HillbillyBob on 1/16/2012, 11:43 am

Rabbit Poo shreds much better dry as well and it"s light after shredding kinda like Perlite feel,Hummm Very Happy

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